Car Nack Predicts

FIRST General Forum
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Posted by Bill Beatty at 2/4/2001 12:31 PM EST

Other on team #71, Team Hammond, from Team Hammond.

Car Nack predicts.

  1. Less than one percent of the robots will be able to go under the bar, less than six machines Nation wide.

  2. As the Competition progresses, bridge balancing will become very easy and common with a greater than ninety percent success rate in the National elimination matches.

  3. Less then ten percent of the robots will be able to go over the bar, less than fifty machines Nationwide.

  4. No high meet score (regional or National) will be a 29 second, 3x multiplier match.

  5. FIRST will hire a large crew of carpet layers to repair the bridge surfaces during the competition.

  6. No high meet score will be created by laying the goals on their sides.

  7. The stretcher will be used in more than half the elimination matches at the Nationals.

  8. The high meet score will always occur in the elimination rounds.

  9. There will be a surprising number of 1x muiltiplier rounds.

  10. Except for the small regionals ( under 30 teams) the high meet score will always be a 59 second, 2.5x muiltiplier match.

Car Nack has spoken.

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Posted by Ken Patton at 2/4/2001 12:46 PM EST

Engineer on team #65, The Huskie Brigade, from Pontiac Northern High School and GM Powertrain.

In Reply to: Car Nack Predicts
Posted by Bill Beatty on 2/4/2001 12:31 PM EST:

Car Nack, oh prescient one, I like the way you think!

Ken

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Posted by Michael Martus at 2/4/2001 2:11 PM EST

Coach on team #47, Chief Delphi, from Pontiac Central H.S. and Delphi Automotives Systems.

In Reply to: Car Nack Predicts
Posted by Bill Beatty on 2/4/2001 12:31 PM EST:

He is indeed wise for his years. Pay attention! Car Nack has spoken.

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Posted by Chris Orimoto at 2/4/2001 2:27 PM EST

Student on team #368, Kika Mana, from McKinley High School and Nasa Ames/Hawaiian Electric/Weinberg Foundation.

In Reply to: Car Nack Predicts
Posted by Bill Beatty on 2/4/2001 12:31 PM EST:

Sorry, I don’t want to seem like I am disagreeing with the great one or anything like that. I believe that his predictions are probably going to be generally accurate. However, (imho) I have to say that SIX machines nationwide going under the bar is underestimating a little. Fyi: I already know of 3 robots right now who 100% CAN and WILL go under the bar.

Chris, #368

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Posted by Erin at 2/4/2001 3:11 PM EST

Other on team #65, Huskie Brigade, from Pontiac Northern High School and GM Powertrain.

In Reply to: Re: Car Nack Predicts
Posted by Chris Orimoto on 2/4/2001 2:27 PM EST:

I can add two to that.
(don’t worry its not us).

-erin

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Posted by Anton Abaya at 2/4/2001 2:34 PM EST

Coach on team #419, Rambots, from UMass Boston / BC High and NONE AT THE MOMENT! :(.

In Reply to: Car Nack Predicts
Posted by Bill Beatty on 2/4/2001 12:31 PM EST:

: Car Nack predicts.

: 1. Less than one percent of the robots will be able to go under the bar, less than six machines Nation wide.

: 2. As the Competition progresses, bridge balancing will become very easy and common with a greater than ninety percent success rate in the National elimination matches.

: 3. Less then ten percent of the robots will be able to go over the bar, less than fifty machines Nationwide.

: 4. No high meet score (regional or National) will be a 29 second, 3x multiplier match.

: 5. FIRST will hire a large crew of carpet layers to repair the bridge surfaces during the competition.

: 6. No high meet score will be created by laying the goals on their sides.

: 7. The stretcher will be used in more than half the elimination matches at the Nationals.

: 8. The high meet score will always occur in the elimination rounds.

: 9. There will be a surprising number of 1x muiltiplier rounds.

: 10. Except for the small regionals ( under 30 teams) the high meet score will always be a 59 second, 2.5x muiltiplier match.

: Car Nack has spoken.

i already know 6 robots going under :)…

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Posted by Lora Knepper at 2/4/2001 2:58 PM EST

Other on team FIRST-a-holics Anonymous from . sponsored by …

In Reply to: Car Nack Predicts
Posted by Bill Beatty on 2/4/2001 12:31 PM EST:

Oh mighty Car Nack…

I hate to EVER say anything against you, but I think that 6 machines going under must be a typo…we all know that you would never make a mistake…

~ lora

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Posted by Joe Johnson at 2/4/2001 3:43 PM EST

Engineer on team #47, Chief Delphi, from Pontiac Central High School and Delphi Automotive Systems.

In Reply to: Car Nack Predicts
Posted by Bill Beatty on 2/4/2001 12:31 PM EST:

I too know of many teams that are designing their
robots to go under the bar.

But…

Car Nack did not speak of how many were going to be
DESIGNED TO go under the bar but how many WILL BE ABLE
to go under the bar.

While I think that the skill may be less rare than Car
Nack seems to think, I believe he may be right if you
add the words “and do anything but tug a goal or two
around.” Even without the modification, I think it may
be closer to Car Nack’s 1% than to the 10% nobody seems
to have a problem with for teams going over the bar.

Time will tell… …it aways does.

Joe J.

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Posted by Andy Grady at 2/4/2001 8:25 PM EST

Other on team #126, Gael Force, from Clinton High School and Nypro Inc…

In Reply to: Car Nack Predicts
Posted by Bill Beatty on 2/4/2001 12:31 PM EST:

Sorry car nack, but Scratch Sayz that 40% of the teams in the competition will go under or over the bar.

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Posted by Tom S. at 2/4/2001 10:33 PM EST

Student on team #177, The Bobcats, from South Windsor High School and International Fuel Cells.

In Reply to: Car Nack Predicts
Posted by Bill Beatty on 2/4/2001 12:31 PM EST:

I think that 1 in 10 robots will be able to go under the bar efficiently. this may seem a little bit high, but i already know that a lot of teams are planning to do this.

Tom

: Car Nack predicts.

: 1. Less than one percent of the robots will be able to go under the bar, less than six machines Nation wide.

: 2. As the Competition progresses, bridge balancing will become very easy and common with a greater than ninety percent success rate in the National elimination matches.

: 3. Less then ten percent of the robots will be able to go over the bar, less than fifty machines Nationwide.

: 4. No high meet score (regional or National) will be a 29 second, 3x multiplier match.

: 5. FIRST will hire a large crew of carpet layers to repair the bridge surfaces during the competition.

: 6. No high meet score will be created by laying the goals on their sides.

: 7. The stretcher will be used in more than half the elimination matches at the Nationals.

: 8. The high meet score will always occur in the elimination rounds.

: 9. There will be a surprising number of 1x muiltiplier rounds.

: 10. Except for the small regionals ( under 30 teams) the high meet score will always be a 59 second, 2.5x muiltiplier match.

: Car Nack has spoken.

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Posted by Samuel Lindhorst at 2/5/2001 12:19 AM EST

Engineer on team #240, Mach Vee, from Jefferson High School and Visteon.

In Reply to: Car Nack Predicts
Posted by Bill Beatty on 2/4/2001 12:31 PM EST:

I think Car Nack should be predicting the stock market, not building robots. :o)

He’s got it way, way correct.

What do ya think about Intel?

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Posted by Andy Baker at 2/5/2001 1:05 AM EST

Engineer on team #45, TechnoKats, from Kokomo High School and Delphi Automotive Systems.

In Reply to: Car Nack Predicts
Posted by Bill Beatty on 2/4/2001 12:31 PM EST:

I’m interested to see how many machines will be using different configurations…

like…

Going under the bar in one match, and putting a big ball on the goal during the next match.

Hey, we can all dream, can’t we?

Anybody doing this… and want to talk about it yet?

Andy B.

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Posted by Joe Ross at 2/5/2001 1:37 AM EST

Engineer on team #330, Beach Bot, from Hope Chapel Academy and NASA/JPL , J&F Machine, and Raytheon.

In Reply to: Combo-bots?
Posted by Andy Baker on 2/5/2001 1:05 AM EST:

: I’m interested to see how many machines will be using different configurations…

: like…

: Going under the bar in one match, and putting a big ball on the goal during the next match.

: Anybody doing this… and want to talk about it yet?

We were going to be a combo-bot. We wanted to be able to go under the bar one match and then do the big balls another. unfortunately we had to scrap one of those tasks after we did some more design work. If you take a look at our bot, you will see evidence of our old design, though.

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Posted by Ken Leung at 2/5/2001 2:58 AM EST

Student on team #192, Gunn Robotics Team, from Henry M. Gunn Senior High School.

In Reply to: Combo-bots?
Posted by Andy Baker on 2/5/2001 1:05 AM EST:

The most important part about building a combo robot is how each part fit together on the robot. It always seems easy just taking parts off and use the rest of the robot as a much lighter, smaller, faster robot.

But how do the robot fit together in the first place? Last year we did something similar, where at the end of the arm we have two rod at the end where we can attach different component on it. It was a great idea, except each component have to work around the design of the arm in order to get on the robot, and that limit the freedom of the components a lot. It was big pain trying to fit the parts together.

Well, I guess it will work better for this year’s competition. I can already tell that many teams are going to have a low base, just because of the bridge and 7’ tall goals (for a low CG). So that means the robot can either fit everything on the base, or build another level on top of the base.

This way, teams can design the robot so that the second level can be taken off, and have the essential parts on the base alone. Even better, teams can design robot with different second level that can do different things, and switch to a particular part when needed. This kind of robot sounds like the design of hand drills where you can put whatever bits on there and it will do all kind of things!

I wonder how many teams will actually be able to do these…

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