Chairman's Award Finalists...A Fact

Posted by Erin at 04/08/2001 4:14 PM EST

Other on team #65, Huskie Brigade, from Pontiac Northern High School and GM Powertrain.

3 of the Chairman’s Finalists hail from one city.

Pontiac.

The city is home to the schools of the Juggernauts, Chief Delphi, and my team, the Huskie Brigade.

Pontiac is an inner-city community that has many negative stereotypes, and I would like to recognize the fact that these three FIRST teams are going to keep trying their hardest to make all of the world see what great things happen in this city and with these teams. These three teams’ exemplary standards will keep producing great FIRST teams for years to come, I am sure. How many times have 3 finalists been from the same city?

Congrats to all three of these great teams and every other team. We are all winners!

Live from DisneyQuest,

Erin Team 65

Posted by Joey at 04/08/2001 6:59 PM EST

Other on team #22, Homer, from CHatsworth High.

In Reply to: Chairman’s Award Finalists…A Fact
Posted by Erin on 04/08/2001 4:14 PM EST:

who won the chairmans award?

Posted by Matt Leese at 04/08/2001 7:16 PM EST

Other on team #73, Tigerbolt, from Edison Technical HS and Alstom & Fiber Technologies & RIT.

In Reply to: Re: Chairman’s Award Finalists…A Fact
Posted by Joey on 04/08/2001 6:59 PM EST:

Team 22 won.

Matt who is exhausted after FL…

Posted by Joey at 04/08/2001 9:09 PM EST

Other on team #22, Homer, from CHatsworth High.

In Reply to: Re: Chairman’s Award Finalists…A Fact
Posted by Matt Leese on 04/08/2001 7:16 PM EST:

whoo hoo!!! my team did it!!! i was unable to attend nationals, thanks for the great news!

Posted by Joe Johnson at 04/09/2001 12:41 PM EST

Engineer on team #47, Chief Delphi, from Pontiac Central High School and Delphi Automotive Systems.

In Reply to: Re: Chairman’s Award Finalists…A Fact
Posted by Joey on 04/08/2001 9:09 PM EST:

FIRST played your video. I think this is a great thing
that FIRST has done. It gives the team that won the
chance to make their case to the entire FIRST community
rather than the 3 sentences that FIRST usually only
tells about the award winner. It is my view that many
of the teams in the audience came away with a very
positive view of the award and of Team 22.

I also like that FIRST announced the Finalists first
and then the Award winner rather than all 5 teams that
might be the award winner and then picking from them.
While the drama is high for that teams, it was also
painful to watch the 4 teams that did not get selected
for the ultimate award have to walk away somewhat down
about being a bridesmaid not the bride.

In any case…

The video showed a solid program behind team 22’s
efforts.

Welcome to the very elite Chairman’s Award Club.

Joe J.
Member since 1997

Posted by ChrisH at 04/09/2001 1:50 PM EST

Engineer on team #330, Beach 'Bots, from Hope Chapel Academy and NASA JPL, J & F Machine, Raytheon, et al.

In Reply to: Proud to have Team 22 in the Club…
Posted by Joe Johnson on 04/09/2001 12:41 PM EST:

There is no other team on the West Coast that is as focused on getting new teams started and helping them succeed. Their seminars are very helpful even for experienced teams like ours.

This year we tried to start and mentor three new teams. One didn’t go, one did OK and one was a Rookie All-Star. But with all of them we got help and materials from Chatsworth. They are THE resource for southern California.

Congratulations to Wendy Wooten and crew

Chris Husmann, PE
Team 330 the Beach’Bots

PS. We’re looking forward to JPL and June.

Posted by Kyle Fenton at 04/09/2001 6:18 PM EST

Student on team #121, Islanders, from Middletown High School and NUWC.

In Reply to: Proud to have Team 22 in the Club…
Posted by Joe Johnson on 04/09/2001 12:41 PM EST:

I would like to first congratulate
Chief Delphi, Buzz, Team 22, and the other two.
(sorry I forgot their numbers).

You all did an excellent job.

However I was disappointed yet again this year
that the finalist of the Chirman’s award were the
team with the most amount of people and the
biggest budget. But how about the rest of teams
who submitted one, just because they didn’t
mentor 22 teams and set up 100 Lego League
Robotics clubs doesn’t mean that there bad.
What I am trying to say is that it is impossible for
team like mine to mentor 22 teams. We don’t have
enough people, we don’t have a lot of support, and
most important we don’t have enough money.
I was hoping that FIRST was looking uniqueness
in spreading the FIRST message and how it was
being implemented in such a way that it was
benefiting the world.
I was hoping FIRST would judge everyone equally
regardless of their finical status or number of
students.
I mean I like Chief Delphi, Buzz, and all the other
teams who won it, and I am really proud of them.
But if only big teams can win this award, than it
might discourage teams with limited people and
money to make this award. I mean what is the
point of making this award when you know you are
going to loose it because you didn’t mentor 22
teams.
Whatever. Oh by the way, do you know if there is
anything on the FIRST website to see what ranking
my team and other teams did the Chramain’s
Award.

Thanks

Posted by Jared at 04/09/2001 6:33 PM EST

Student on team #312, Heatwave, from Lakewood High and Baxter.

In Reply to: Chairman’s Award Disadvantages
Posted by Kyle Fenton on 04/09/2001 6:18 PM EST:

Well it wasn’t the team with the biggest budget or most kids because my team has 80 people and millions of dollars worth of editing and TV Production utilities and we didn’t win. We did a lot of things like go to lots of schools in our area and try to get kids interested in robotics but maybe it is because we didn’t start a LEGO League. Well neways, just thought I’d throw that in.

-= Jared =-
#312
!HEATWAVE!

Posted by Wayne Cokeley at 04/09/2001 10:18 PM EST

Coach on team #25, Raider Robotix, from North Brunswick Twp. H.S. and Bristol-Myers Squibb.

In Reply to: Re: Chairman’s Award Disadvantages
Posted by Jared on 04/09/2001 6:33 PM EST:

: Well it wasn’t the team with the biggest budget or most kids because my team has 80 people and millions of dollars worth of editing and TV Production utilities and we didn’t win. We did a lot of things like go to lots of schools in our area and try to get kids interested in robotics but maybe it is because we didn’t start a LEGO League. Well neways, just thought I’d throw that in.

: -= Jared =-
: #312
: !HEATWAVE!

Hey Jared- We didn’t win it either but I’m not letting it get to me. If Lego League teams were the criterion, that may have been the deciding factor.
I guess the point here is that if you believe in the value of the FIRST program you will make the appearances, teach the little kids and spread the word without expecting the award simply because it is the right thing to do. It would be very hollow to go through the motions just to fill some resume so a team can win FIRST’s approval.
Small teams, heck single people, can make a big difference. Of course having a huge team and great sponsor doesn’t hurt either! Enjoy the support while you have it and share with others because it is the right thing to do. What goes around comes around and with faith and time the rewards will come.

Geez I’m getting preachy…
WC

Posted by Yu Jin at 04/10/2001 4:16 AM EST

Student on team #22, Double Deuce, from Chatsworth High School and Boeing-Rocketdyne, Computer Associates.

In Reply to: Re: Chairman’s Award Disadvantages
Posted by Wayne Cokeley on 04/09/2001 10:18 PM EST:

I’m from Team #22 and I’d like to respond by saying that we’re a team that consists of about 60 some people. We have been one of the first pioneers of FIRST being number 22. We are 5 years old and one of the first teams to form on the west coast. We mentored 11 new rookie teams and helped 22 teams with workshops and advice. I would like to point out that we have no money. There is this connotation you have that we have money but we fundraised a lot. A lot of teams have huge companies such as team 8 (Palo Alto) that has Compaq as a sponsor. The get I believe 15,000. Team #22 had 3 major sponsors but recieve no more than 5,000 from each. Boeing-Rocketdyne divison, Computer Associate, and California State University. Since it is not actually Boeing but Rocketdyne (with limited access to funds) we get little money and we gave CSUN to one of our teams that we mentored last year, Granada Hills High School (Robodox). We fundraised by going around to local merchants asking for small donations around 25 to 100 dollars. Our shirt is filled with these small businesses. We held fundraisers such as Monte Carlo nights and hosted silent auctions and the like. This hard earned funds also were not used for us. We paid for other team’s registrations, robots, shipping, and any other costs. This left us no money. To add to this we hold two competitions-a sectional competition before the Southern California regionals and another one in June. We require no registration fees and we also house the teams ourselves. 39 out of the 60 some members went and had to pay for everything. Also about the FLL teams, I think that is really important because many of our new freshmen members were part of the FLL teams we mentored last year. I think Jason Morrella of Cheesy Poofs, who attend our sectionals and are good friends along with Team 60 Kingman High School and the BeachBot Team, summed it up quite nicely but I must add that…our robots are infact not as good as many other teams but I still think its decent =). We were unable to get beyond normal competition at the Nations this year but we got in the playoffs last year and ranked 8th in co-opetition or 16th in regular terms =). I would like to thank Mr Morrella for the touching post. Its nice to know that others are seeing the impact we have caused. I would also like congratulate the teams in Pontiac as I know how bad schools are since Chatsworth High is located in LA. I don’t think we’re much better than you. I just thought I’d point that out and I would like to congradulate the other finalists and wish the other teams luck. All the teams-whether they be small or big-should all attempt to share the passion For Inpiration and Recognition of Science and Technology and pick us for your alliance in the upcoming years! =)

Posted by Jason Morrella at 04/09/2001 11:07 PM EST

Coach on team #254, Cheesy Poofs, from Bellarmine College Prep & others and NASA Ames/Cypress Semiconductor/Unity Care.

In Reply to: Chairman’s Award Disadvantages
Posted by Kyle Fenton on 04/09/2001 6:18 PM EST:

Kyle,

Your points are well thought out, but sometimes you may not know everything about some of those teams. FIRST off, anyone who has been involved with FIRST for a number of years knows just how much of a difference the teams like 1,47,65,175, and many others have made. Who cares who their sponsors are or how much money they have - the point is that they CHOOSE to spend much of their time & resources helping others instead of just on themselves. We’d all love to have the top financial sponsors and resources - but look at how a team uses those resources, not how much they get - that’s what’s important.

But KYLE, about Team 22, they are EXACTLY what you are talking about.  I know them VERY well and work with them a lot.  The amazing thing about team 22 is they accomplished everything they did with no large sponsor and not a huge budget like you assume they had.  They are the only team I know of who consciously decides to take resources & time from thier robot to help others.  They are truly focused more on other teams than their own.  It is truly amazing.  They did SO MUCH, so it is natural to assume they had the sponsors & budget - but they didn't.  In fact, last year one of the rookie teams they mentored didn't have the funds to go to the California Regional - so Chatsworth Team 22 withdrew and told FIRST to apply their $5,000 reg fee to that team.  Can you believe that?  A sponsor came on last minute to help that rookie team and both teams were able to attend - but what they offered & planned to do was truly awe inspiring. The fact is that Chatsworth is the only team I know of who chooses to sacrifice the performance of their robot to help others and pursue the Chairman's award.  The other top Chairman's award teams are also the top robot teams.  They build great machines every year and take the performance of their robots very seriously, as do most of us in FIRST.  Chatsworth actually doesn't take the performance of their robot into account when deciding how successful their year was - something we can all learn from in some way.

And it wasn’t because of FLL that they won. Chatsworth not only mentors FLL teams, and over half the rookie teams in the SoCal Regional - they also hold workshops, an off season tournament, do year round recruiting demonstrations/presentations, and more. I can say with 100% certainty that the Southern California Regional (which was a 1st year regional, a GREAT success, and had 3 seeded teams in the final 4 alliances at the Nationals) would not have been as successful as it was without Chatsworth.
The only negative about Chatsworth winning, is that they proved teams without big sponsors or resources can do EVERYTHING those teams do and more - they have set the bar at a height even greater than Beatty did in terms of robots. The amount of time, dedication, and passion Chatsworth puts into FIRST - while probably possible to match - is impossible to surpass. I know for a fact that while our team (we have a very similar sponsor & budget level as Chatsworth) intends to do many of the things the top Chairman’s award teams like 22,47,1,65,175, and others do - we can only do a small percentage of what they do and are not be able to match what they do. It doesn’t mean we won’t do it, we just know that in spite of how much we do, some teams are finding a way to do more.

All teams should be proud of what they accomplish - but those 5 teams this year truly deserved to be recognized. And how Chatsworth team 22 has done what they have over the past few years within the constraints they have baffles me. No team deserved that award more.

Posted by Erin at 04/09/2001 11:25 PM EST

Other on team #65, Huskie Brigade, from Pontiac Northern High School and GM Powertrain.

In Reply to: Chairman’s Award Disadvantages
Posted by Kyle Fenton on 04/09/2001 6:18 PM EST:

don’t worry, when we are all back in the running next year you will remember our numbers. maybe you have heard of us…

erin
“get new medals, but keep the old…one is silver and one is gold?”

Posted by Erin at 04/09/2001 11:38 PM EST

Other on team #65, Huskie Brigade, from Pontiac Northern High School and GM Powertrain.

In Reply to: 1 and 65, thanks…
Posted by Erin on 04/09/2001 11:25 PM EST:

Being a member of team 65, a former team captain of team 1 and having a close relationship with 47 (all three finalist award recipients), I know that you must not be clued in as to what you are speaking about…

Pontiac isn’t a very nice, clean city. In fact I believe they got some of the lowest scores for schools in the county. They aren’t that great statewide, either. However, the great thing is- our teams each had an individual struggle to make something great happen (we ALL did OCCRA)and we are taking kids from a lower-class area and teaching them how to make the most of their professional lives (which would have otherwise not been taught as well w/o the FIRST teams and their programs- Lego League, H.I.T. and the CADETS). If you came to Pontiac and saw the conditions these schools were in and how great of a difference FIRST makes for students in the community, you would see what I mean. FIRST is one of the many organizations in these schools that is helping to boost back up the reputations of the school system.

And trust me, we don’t have endless budgets- any of us- we have to fundraise, scrimp and save like everyone else.

Erin
p.s. did anyone know our submission was hand-delivered to Manchester? That is what I call determination.

Posted by Kyle Fenton at 04/10/2001 7:52 AM EST

Student on team #121, Islanders, from Middletown High School and NUWC.

In Reply to: oh and another thing…
Posted by Erin on 04/09/2001 11:38 PM EST:

Erin,
I totally agree with you 100%, you deserved that
award. And I am totally sorry I forgot you numbers,
we weren’t in the best of spirits by the time we hit
the award ceremony. Because one of our
engineers, Walt Kosiniski , and one of the parents
to one of the students died one and a half days
before we went to nationals. Walt Kosiniski was
also a very good friend of all of our team and we
knew him for a long time. So that is why we weren’t
up to our full potential. There were other reasons
but that was the most impact.
I mean all and all even if you have done a
Chairman’s award, I think that FIRST respects you
a lot more if you do one, even it just a simple
written report.
I mean, Pontiac is a great city to spread the FIRST
message and sees if it trying to turn it around. Like
the massive expansion of all the rookie teams I
saw at the NY regionals.
Well unfortunately in Middletown Rhode Island, it is
a little harder to spread the FIRST impact because
one, we are the only team in our state and two, it is
not that technical savvy. To put in terms, we are in a
farm/suburban town that doesn’t have a lot of
people. However we do our fair share of going to
Business Expos, and putting on Dog and Pony
shows. And we have gotten a lot of positive
feedback because of it.
But anyways the reason why I wrote that last post
was not to put-down or saying they should not
deserve it, just I hope that every team can have an
equal opportunity based on what they have
available to them.

PS
Rhode Warrior also will like to also thank you for
our highest scoring round, and the award you gave
us.

Posted by Erin at 04/10/2001 11:55 AM EST

Other on team #65, Huskie Brigade, from Pontiac Northern High School and GM Powertrain.

In Reply to: Re: oh and another thing…
Posted by Kyle Fenton on 04/10/2001 7:52 AM EST:

Kyle,

I am sorry to hear that this happened, and so close to nationals. No doubt would it put a team’s operation into slow gear. I hope you all start feeling better again soon.

About the award, that was one of the only awards we didn’t have to think about who we were going to give it to. And in the words of Ken Patton, “Hey! I have an idea, let’s go give 121 Naval Undersea the first award!!” You should have seen his enthusiasm.

I hope everything starts looking on the upside for you and your team :slight_smile:

-Erin
Team 65

Posted by Michael Martus at 04/10/2001 2:33 PM EST

Coach on team #47, Chief Delphi, from Pontiac Central H.S. and Delphi Automotives Systems.

In Reply to: Chairman’s Award Disadvantages
Posted by Kyle Fenton on 04/09/2001 6:18 PM EST:

To my knowledge there is no ranking of Chariman’s submissions.

The difficulity is that there are many, many great programs that spread the word about FIRST. These programs are the foundation on which the community of FIRST is built. Without these efforts the FIRST organization would not be as great.

I have tried for the last two years to get FIRST to make a Dean’s list recognizing the efforts of many teams that do great things. The list would have no min. or max. numbers but would have a certificate recognizing the efforts of the team.

Making the Dean’s List IS a big deal.

I know personally that Team 121 has a powerful program as deserving of the Chairman’s Award/ or Finalist as any other of this years winners.

There is an idea of posting the 1 page review we all sent to FIRST (required) so that all teams can see what each of us do. This would justify in the minds of all why each team was chosen.

AS to BIG BUDGET teams: We have several resources for support other than Delphi. We only have 28 students on the team as in the past. What we do great is stretch our dollars and add in fundraising. We use what is called title monies ( Gov. ) as appropriate to cover many expenses. We are a Title 1 School. Your administrator will know what Title 1 Monies are.

Posted by Ellery at 04/09/2001 5:55 PM EST

Engineer on team #191, X-CATS, from Joseph C. Wilson High School, Rochester NY and Xerox Corporation.

In Reply to: Chairman’s Award Finalists…A Fact
Posted by Erin on 04/08/2001 4:14 PM EST:

On behalf of the X-CATS Team I’d like to Thank your team for recognizing the X-CATS’ Team Spirit. For it is this Team Spirit that drives the goal of bringing all teams together to celebrate all achievement on and off the field.

X-CATS cheer for all since we’re all on the same FIRST team!

Ellery