Chameleon Climber - Bistable Rollable Composite Climber

Extremely inspired by the Howdy Bots’ Shrinky Dink, we’ve been playing with a bistable carbon rollable boat hook climber. My team doesn’t quite have the bandwith to commit to doing an OA thread, but want to share our work with the community.

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We bought one of these: Rollable Boat Hook - Revolve

It’s bolted to a printed drum and has held up in our testing thus far! Today we loaded it to ~60 lbs with the current reduction at a 20A current limit for end of match stuff.

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Here’s our working prototype model. It’s not built totally in accordance with the model, but we’ll work to keep it as accurate as possible.

I envision our final iteration being much more compact and lightened 1/4" aluminum. It’s quicker & cheaper for us to route polycarbonate.

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How high are you planning on grabbing to climb?!?

Looks like black magic to me.

We want to be able to hang anywhere on the chain. I think it’s safe to say we can cover the full envelope. :laughing:

I’ve thought about using magnetic tape and hall effect sensors to limit the extension, but we can also cut or pin the tube to limit that mechanically.

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Ah… forgot about those! New tape measure climber!

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If you want more resolution you might try doing this with a couple of through bore encoders.

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You just blew my mind

We haven’t automated any of it yet. That was just running it off of a PWM generator and the REV Hardware Client (after our knot on the crate holding the batteries slipped). I wish we had better video of the loaded performance.

“Did we ever get that battery spill kit?.. noooo…” had me chuckling.

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We ran these to climb in FTC back when they were military grade antennae mast product and not the new cheaper boat hook product.

Part of the problem with using an encoder to determine the tip position of the mechanism is that axle position doesnt perfectly translate. Your axle can be at the same position but the spool can be at slightly different diameters when unspooling (respooling is actually pretty consistent).

Magnetic tape and hall effect sensor is a pretty optimized control solution when the same axle position on the encoder could result in ±1" height depending on spooling diameter.

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This arrangement is using the hex shaft as a short dead axle. The bearings are embedded in the winch drum.

Rolatube makes some cool stuff!

We might also try a ToF sensor targeting some sort of tag near the hook.

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2771 used these as their arm last year. Maybe one of them can answer. Code Red Robotics the Stray Dogs - Team 2771 (2023) - The Blue Alliance

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Actually cool.

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Time for a chameleon climber update!

We’ve been testing and tweaking various aspects of our prototype (model screenshot in the first post). We are moving on from HTD timing belt, discussed briefly here in 4481’s wonderful OA thread. We stopped the belt from slipping (bonus shop dog in the background) on the small pulley by adding a crude tensioner, but felt more comfortable throwing #35 at it, and calling it a day.

The new model uses #35 chain on 18x36 sprockets in addition to a yet undetermined MP reduction. We’ve added a WCP ratchet and pawl to allow us to shoot for an aggressive climbing speed without worry about backdriving post match.

The pawl is actuated by torsion springs and a bike brake cable. We’ve been playing with a NEO550 based system to actuate it.

This is the only shot we have of the whole system in its current state.

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935 is excited to develop this concept, 4481’s YT videos is what brought this product to our attention. Very impressive CAD design.

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This is very cool, thanks for sharing!
Have you had to modify the tube at all? Any tips if you have? Does it cut easily, any issues drilling holes?

Thanks for your kind words!

So far we’ve only drilled some holes to attach a hook. There wasn’t anything remotely tricky about it. We will likely cut a few inches off of the end when we meet tomorrow (our first holes are a little misaligned - mentor user error). I’m planning on cutting it with our band saw and don’t anticipate any difficulty. The fibers are well contained in the resin system; I’m not worried about dust.

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How do you intend to get the hook onto the chain? I’ve never worked with a spool design like this before I’m interested.

We are bolting an aluminum hook to the end of the tube. The current plan is shown below, (carbon tube not shown). The green parts are printed spacers to sandwich the aluminum hook inside the carbon tube.

We will extend the climber, drive into the chain, and winch ourselves up.

Here’s a video of our testing today. Our hook geometry as modeled isn’t viable, so we are working on that this afternoon.

ETA: We load tested it with a mentor - no video of that :laughing:

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