I am somewhat scared of how the Detroit and Houston Championships will be conducted, and how the competition will change now that two world champions will be awarded and jazz. The feeling I got from researching on reddit is that now no one will have a true championship experience?
Not sure if this has been talked about recently so sorry if this is rehashing anything from previous threads.
***St. Louis and Houston
Just note that 2017 will be Houston and St. Louis. From 2018 through 2020 it will be Houston and Detriot.
Thanks for catching that !
I’d like to note that whether or not you have a true championship experience is somewhat dependent on yourself. If you’re going to one of the Champs, you’re going to a huge competition with many of the best teams in the country. If it doesn’t feel like Champs because it’s EVERY best team in the country, then that’s that. But it’s not like it ever is every best team in the country.
Its all a craps shoot.
We had a rough go in Newton, but had a great time as a team. Things broke, we fixed them. Matches were won/lost by a narrow margin.
AND we only got a *chance *to compete against one eighth of the teams attending championship.
You’ll get the same chance next year during quals.
I’m a little upset at it too. If my team qualifies, we’ll be going to Houston, but I have a lot of friends on teams that will most likely be going to St. Louis/Detroit, or don’t know where they’ll be going as of now, because FIRST hasn’t released that information yet. So that kinda sucks, but I’m also really curious as to see how awarding Chairman’s will be conducted. And then there’s the fact that there will be essentially, 8 teams holding the title of “world champions.”
Can you tell me how you know you will be in Houston?
Forgive me if this is already common knowledge, but I wondered if it’s absolutely confirmed that the FRC itself will be split up? Or is it possible that FIRST might just be moving some of the programs to Houston? (for example, Jr. FLL, FLL, and FTC in Houston and FRC in St. Louis)
I’ve only experience Champs twice ('09 and '15) and let me start by saying, no one knows what Champs will be like in 2017. Yes, it will be divided but I would expect the atmosphere and level of competition to still be very good. Of course a lot of teams you normally would see every year there, you won’t and we don’t know yet which one teams will be going to but until we actually experience it, we can’t judge it.
Now that that’s been said, in my opinion, I think it will be the same. FIRST will do their best to make it feel the same at each one and I hope they mix up the competition so we don’t get one Champs being better than the other but I’m sure it will happen a few times. I’m curious to see how it will work in Houston. The weather here is so bipolar and it can rain in an instant. Looking at how the setup be, I’m curious how they plan to transport robots and pits to Toyota Center and Minute Maid Park if it’s raining.
I don’t plan to make judgement until I’ve experienced it. I just hope my team isn’t locked to only attending Houston every year.
This has been confirmed at least since the last update. (I don’t expect it to change either).
It is two champs with all programs at each.
That and splitting them up into two different cities and two different weekends breaks up the “progression of programs” that FIRST strives to show during Champs. It already was broken when they stopped having FTC and FLL play in the Dome; I’d hate to see it split up completely.
Sorry I wasn’t clear. I meant each champs will have all 4 programs to my knowledge. I’m looking for my proof now…
Edit: FIRST Championship | For Inspiration and Recognition of Science and Technology
It will be 2 champs with all programs at each.
My apologies for any confusion caused.
At least now all programs can be back under one roof.
As “someone” important very recently said… It’s for the greater good of inspiration of tomorrow’s hope. “Get over it”.
But we were getting to that point with districts now it won’t happen.
Also I guess I just don’t understand why it’s good to have JRFLL/FLL/FTC championships overshadowed by FRC’s. Why should these programs and students have their own championships (or atleast an FTC and FLL/JRFLL champs) where they are the ones on the main stage instead of a side show?
As a four-time FTC World Championship attendee (all four years FTC was in the Dome), I definitely support keeping the programs together. For me, the most amazing thing about Worlds is not just the bringing together of the top FTC teams, but also being a part of the whole FIRST championships; super-regionals offers a similar caliber of competition, but the experience is notably lesser off the filed.
To end with a post of mine from last year:
All I got to say is God forbid FIRST puts out a bad game next year. It’ll make an already difficult transition even more painful.
Since the two “champs” are on different weekends, how about FIRST pays for the Winning Alliance (10 members of each team) of the first Champs weekend to go to the 2nd Champs. On Saturday, the Winner of Champs 1 plays the Winner of Champs 2.
While your post is incredibly edgy, the shift from one championship to two postseason expos is at best an unknown quantity. The idea of increasing inspiration is entirely subjective, but you can potentially quantify inspiration by team count I guess. If that is your sole metric for a direct increase in inspiration, I guess you might be right. However those of us who subscribe to an idea that an unsupported team is worse than no team also believe that two poorly supported expos can be worse than one adequately supported championship.
Fewer things in life can be more powerful than participation on a FIRST team at a FIRST event, but it’s important to realize that fact can swing both ways. Putting at-risk kids into failing teams is damaging. Having volunteers who don’t put students first can be damaging. Sponsors and sponsoring organizations who don’t understand why a team wants 15k+ to go to one of these expos instead of one championship is confusing for them and can be potentially damaging.
“You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to PayneTrain again.”
I saw this mentioned earlier in the thread but didn’t see anyone link to it directly: FIRST has put out an official update with regard to the changing Championship structure at http://www.firstinspires.org/2017-2018-first-championship-info
Notable (for me, at least), was that they mentioned they are looking to put together a “Culminating Event” to have the Champs from each event face off at a possibly televised event.