Clarification about the extensions beyond the frame perimeter

we are using the long drive train so we are at max size

move your elevator back 1/4" ?
cut 1/4" off of your intake?

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we are not using an elevator

i may just have to move everything back 1/4th of a inch XD

Does your intake pivot?


Out of interest in improving the manual, can you point out where the confusion in these rules is?

G1. Know your ROBOT setup. When placed on the FIELD for a MATCH, each ROBOT must be:

R2. In the STARTING CONFIGURATION (the physical configuration in which a ROBOT starts a MATCH), no part of the ROBOT shall extend outside the vertical projection of the FRAME PERIMETER, with the exception of its BUMPERS and minor protrusions such as bolt heads, fastener ends, rivets, cable ties, etc.

And just for reference… this same basic rule has been present, in some form or another, since I started mentoring 13 years ago (with the exception of 2015). While rules do change every year, this is one of the more consistent ones!


it says 1/4" is fine so would i be ok since im basically 1/4" out side

Then you can cut 1/4" off. Or you can move it 1/4" back.

No. If you are extended more than the extension limit, you are violating the rule.

Can you please just post a photo of your robot and mechanism in question. Otherwise trying to help without proper information is useless.

if i cut 1/4"off each side of are drive train i would be ok? that’s all I have off hand

You are asking two different sets of questions here. 1 question you are asking about your frame perimeter, the other question you are asking is about the extension beyond the frame perimeter.

Please be more specific in one cohesive post.

R1. The ROBOT (excluding BUMPERS) must have a FRAME PERIMETER, contained within the
BUMPER ZONE and established in the ROBOT’S STARTING CONFIGURATION, that is
comprised of fixed, non-articulated structural elements of the ROBOT. Minor protrusions no greater
than ¼ in. (~6 mm) such as bolt heads, fastener ends, weld beads, and rivets are not considered
part of the FRAME PERIMETER.
To determine the FRAME PERIMETER, wrap a piece of string around the ROBOT
(excluding BUMPERS) at the BUMPER ZONE described in R25 and pull it taut. The
string outlines the FRAME PERIMETER.
Example: A ROBOT’S chassis is shaped like the letter ‘V’, with a large gap between
chassis elements on the front of the ROBOT. When wrapping a taut string around this
chassis, the string extends across the gap and the resulting FRAME PERIMETER is a
triangle with three sides.
Note: to permit a simplified definition of the FRAME PERIMETER and encourage a tight,
robust connection between the BUMPERS and the FRAME PERIMETER, minor
protrusions such as bolt heads, fastener ends, weld beads, rivets, etc. are excluded from
the determination of the FRAME PERIMETER

That’s for nuts and bolts.

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Okay so you are asking about frame perimeter.

From what I see there you are perfectly fine but I can’t say without seeing more details and other views/measurements.

the wheels on the front Stick out 1/4th of an inch

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Then move them back. You cannot start the match outside your frame perimeter.

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It looks like the wheels are the part that sticks outside the frame perimeter. Am I wrong?

its the wheels yes