In order to earn the points for climbing, does the robot have to be suspended in the air, or can the robot’s bumpers just be raised above the 12 inches? As long as the robot is “supported by the SCALE (either directly or transitively) with BUMPERS fully above the BRICKS at T=0” can the robot earn full points?
You cannot move the bumpers more than 7 inches off the floor while still resting on the floor per R24.
There are multiple topics on this. Your bumpers can’t be articulated, so you need to get your robot off the ground. How you do that is up to you.
There is some discussion about whether you can flip yourself over so that your bumpers are off the ground. My interpretation is that this will not be allowed as a violation of the Bumper Zone. There will be an update about this.
If the robot chassis is elevated with the wheels on the ground, does that violate R24?
I cannot think of a way to follow R25 at the same time.
Did the BUMPERS move out of the BUMPER ZONE?
What if you extend feet raising the robot so the bumpers are 12" off the floor? It appears the platform is considered part of the scale.
3.3 SCALE
There is one (1) SCALE centered in the field, and oriented so that the SCALE arm is parallel to the ALLIANCE WALL. The SCALE features an arm, RUNGS, PLATES, OUTRIGGERS, PLATFORMS, and TOWER. All frame surfaces are covered in polycarbonate panels. A cable protector extends from the center of each side of the PLATFORM and is 2 ½ in. (~6 cm) wide and ¾ in. (~2 cm) high (Electriduct, Inc. CSX-3, black). These cable protectors extend to the GUARDRAILS and the SWITCHES.
Have you taken a look at R24 and R25? They were both mentioned previously in the thread.
Yes but we have no plans to articulate the bumpers and if the bumpers must ALWAYS be within 7" of the floor it would be impossible to climb.
For a simple example say you have a robot that is 3’ tall and you were able to flip over at the end. Your bumpers would be more than 12" off the ground and you would be supported by the scale platform which is defined as part of the scale.
I think you and I interpret normally differently. You seem to want to flip the robot over to make it normal. I look at the blue box which talks of the ROBOT resting on a flat floor (without changing the ROBOT configuration). This might be something to post in the Q&A to have properly interpreted.
I ask that you remember that FIRST is trying to give you an engineering challenge, not a lawyering one.
Please revisit the blue box for R24 regarding how the bumper zone is determined.
R24 seems only to establish the required bumper position relative to the robot frame. It would seem that as long as the frame and bumpers move in unison, the bumpers would not extend beyond the bumper zone and R24 would be satisfied.
I think this is going to be tricky to rule around. We’ve never penalized tipped and flipped robots for bumper violations before, after all. It’s certainly possible the GDC will just go that route and penalize anyone that ends up at rest in a non-standard position, but I think it’s unlikely. Also, it’d run the risk of making any non-level lift illegal. I think the better solution is just to allow it, since face planting and doing a 17" pushup or completely flipping a robot onto the platform is actually itself a reasonably difficult engineering challenge in its own right. At least without violating the bumper zone with something to push down under the bumpers to flip you.
R24 has always been relative to the robot’s current “bottom”. We’ve had prior years where lifting bumpers would be advantageous, and putting down lifting feet has been ruled a bumper zone violation.
Seems to be problematic
“A ROBOT deploys a MECHANISM which lifts the BUMPERS outside the BUMPER ZONE (when virtually transposed onto a flat floor). This violates R24.”
…and if somehow you flip without a MECHANISM where are your Bumpers?
“BUMPERS must be located entirely within the BUMPER ZONE, which is the volume contained between the floor and a virtual horizontal plane 7 in. (~17 cm) above the floor in reference to the ROBOT standing normally on a flat floor. BUMPERS do not have to be parallel to the floor.”
The outrigger is a part of the scale can we use the outriggers to lift our robot off the floor.
Any help would be appreciated
It wasn’t immediately caught at first, but your answer lies in G19.
G19. Be careful about what you interact with. DRIVE TEAMS, ROBOTS, and OPERATOR
CONSOLES are prohibited from the following actions with regards to interaction with ARCADE
elements.
Items A and B exclude DRIVE TEAM interaction with FIELD elements in their areas.
Item C excludes use of the PLAYER STATION hook-and-loop tape, plugging in to the provided
power outlet, and plugging the provided Ethernet cable in to the OPERATOR CONSOLE.
Items A-D exclude RUNGS and POWER CUBES.
A. Grabbing
B. Grasping
C. Attaching to (including the use of hook-and-loop tape against the FIELD carpet)
D. Hanging
E. Deforming
F. Becoming entangled
G. Damaging