Wondering how people are preparing for robots with max height bumpers (I.e. for under bumper intake) to collide with robots with min height bumpers, which help prevent driving onto notes. Seems like the jump-over-the-bumper thing is likely to be more common this year than recent years.
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I highly doubt this will be an issue.
the real problem is low bumpers leveraging high bumpers and causing flips.
Just remember that if your bumpers end up inside my robot, you’re likely to get a foul. And remember to guard anything that the other team’s bumpers can end up on top of.
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G417 (Stay out of other ROBOTS) has an exception for bumpers - if your bumpers contact an opponent inside of their frame perimeter, it is not a foul unless it damages or functionally impairs their robot (G418).
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Wow. Thanks. I completely missed that rule.
I agree. The bumper rules cover horizontal support requirements but they are quiet on how much of the height of a bumper must be supported. We have definitely built robots that look like the upper left robot in my drawing below. Now imagine that as a high-bumper robot impacting a low bumper robot with a low frame perimeter. A little flex from each and I think the high-bumper robot is going over the low one (esp if the bumpers are minimum height so the overlap is minimized.
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I think you state it well, but you need to interpret G417 along with G418. But this is one of those rule sets that gets interpreted if different ways during a match. I am not criticizing referees that are trying to get it right. There is a lot going on and it is impossible to see everthing.
As an RI and an experienced mentor this is one of the hardest parts of inspections. I pass bumpers and supports that meet the minimum requirement, but I would never would accept on my team. As an RI I enforce rules as written. I only comment if the team is open to suggestions.
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That’s a good picture of my concern. I think @Skyehawk mentioned it on a different thread & I’m interested in more discussion of the risk & how to mitigate. I’m going to recommend at least polycarb corner guards to protect our swerve modules & motors.
I recommend going a little beefy on swerve guards. This was found after a match last year - protecting both the sides and the top with something fairly rigid can save you from a big headache!
OnShape link to last year’s robot, where you can find these MAXSwerve covers - modifications are needed to accommodate the increased height of Kraken/Vortex over Neo! Onshape
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