While I’m not sure mocking is the appropriate way to go about things but there is some truth to the sentiment. I think the more prescriptive method is giving “social friction”. This comes in the form of blunt rejection, vocally opposing, or other actions that don’t signal convenient agreeance. It’s a quick and generally easy way to show that some behaviors and opinions are outdated/not widely accepted.
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The answer to most any non-trivial question is not a simple yes or no, but “it depends”.
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yeah, ill talk to the mentors about it around completion season. i can also have a cropped shirt under a hoodie and I can fold the up the hoodie and lower it when I need to
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I’m not the youngest generation, but not the oldest here either (even if I feel old myself). Its partly generational but I also think it’s about comfort and a focus on trying to make other people feel welcome and invited.
The ‘Golden Rule’ (Treat others as you want to be treated’) really should be ‘Treat others as they would like to be treated’. In the example given in a fictional book (which is subject to some debate by the fans anyways) is if I’m following the original version and I’m a meat eater, and I treat a vegetarian the way I want to be treated and give them meat for dinner, technically I followed the rule. But the vegetarian wouldn’t like it very much.
So there’s an extra step needed to say what does this person im trying to make an effort for or reach out to, need to be comfortable and accepted.
While I wish the world always operated in the second way, it doesn’t and we have to settle with sometimes most people not following even the first way really. But we should strive to think beyond conforming and try to make the effort for others. Conforming is not exactly comfortable for anyone involved.
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Among most of the people my age that I hang with… The prevailing attitude is “some times conformance is good, other times it’s bad”.
It’s important to think critically about when and why confirming might hurt or help a desire for a particular outcome.
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Another view: I have a “I’m not going to make the world confirm to me” worldview. So, I don’t eat chicken, but would never think of going to somebody else’s house and ask for something else. If I’m doing it right, they won’t even know that I didn’t eat chicken when I leave. And, frankly, it makes me really uncomfortable when somebody does know and goes out of the way to have something else.
So, the action that you suggest: give me something I like is exactly the thing I don’t want you to do. I mean, I’ll be gracious “oh, thank you, you didn’t have to, what a nice guesture,” but at heart I will be uncomfortable and really will wish that you didn’t.
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When I see someone having to resort to rudeness, I almost always discount their argument, as I am sure many others do. People can think for themselves and draw their own conclusions. They don’t need you to hit them upside the head with a giant hammer saying “THIS IS WRONG!”.
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We solved the crop top argument so now we have to argue about how to argue. Nice
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In a literal sense, yes, barring any sort of rules set by your team, school, etc. Personally I’ve walked away with some…interesting robot-borne souvenirs on my person that I’d rather not have where my shirt would go. That’s up to you if that’s something that matters.
In a broader sense, I’ve seen or heard instances of creepy weirdos at competitions deciding to express their creepy weirdo-ness at people based on how they choose to dress. Of course, it’s 100% not your fault if this happens to you, but the unfortunate reality is the existence of creepy weirdos may very well affect your choices. All I’m trying to say is just be safe out there.
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I see you’ve met one group of engineers that dresses one particular way. That certainly isn’t the norm where I work.
Dress codes in the workplace are slowly being relaxed and I hope they are done away with completely (along with things like covering tattoos). I used to dress up to meet with customers, but quickly realized they don’t care one bit. It’s an antiquated mode of thinking
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As someone from FIN i can confidentially say, in the stands a crop top is no problem. Once you enter pits however i would recommend putting a tshirt or hoodie on for safety reasons. Pits often get crowded and very easy to scrap yourself on a toolbox or robot. Ive even seen times where someones using a hotglue gun, and then turns around pressing it right into someones shirt (belly area). Even a thin layer of cloth does wonders to protect against this.
Note: Since most the responses i read ignored the main question about SAFTEY, i feel the need to say i dont care what or why you wear something. My response is purely from a saftey standpoint only.
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Old-fashioned maybe but not yet outdated by all. A bit redundant with other posts but - It’s not what your preference or tolerance is when you wear something but the person who sees your style of dressing. You still get better service often and especially still in health care if you appear to be able to pay your bill. “Dress for success” is still often a thing.
SAME (myself included, and I wore a kilt for 2 years to comps)
notably the dress code shouldn’t matter, as I am a trans person I like to wear revealing outfits because it makes me feel euphoric and I don’t really care too much about my body image. if anything, the graphics on the shirt are usually in the right spot that you can shave off the bottom of a team t-shirt and build your own crop top, or make team ones (I’ve seen a few New England people wearing them at DCMP, and I can ensure you that it is a solid 50 degrees inside of the field venue). then again, I didn’t spend too much time in the pits as I was drive team and Impact team, so the ubiquitous pink suit was more than enough to make my mark. I will have to figure out an outfit for BGRC this upcoming weekend (which I will be attending).
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I was trying to think of an obvious safety reason but couldn’t think of something where a standard t-shirt would be better, and I didn’t even think of hot glue or anything else heat related.
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So I am allowed to wear a crop top at worlds?
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I think the consensus was if your team allowed it in their dress code.
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back in my FLL days, not only did we have our neon green shirts, but many of our members dyed their hair, wore green wigs, accessories, and I think 1 or 2 people wore green tutus. Gotta go all in on the color scheming
Crop tops (shirts or hoodies) are usually fine in the pits, but check if there’s a dress code specific to the area. Stay comfortable and safe!
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