Is it legal to discuss which center line notes you want to intake from the center line with your opponents?
I feel like this would be GP.
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with this.
This could save you both from crashing in auto and sorting that out for the rest of the match, i would highly recommend this!
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Yea I feel like all teams who plan on going to the center should let the other teams know. Then teams can work it out if they both want to go for one.
An evil strategy a team could do is just sit by a centerline note and wait for a robot to run into them. Shame on anybody who does this.
Edit: I changed my mind re. above.
Please stop describing things as GP.
The game says nothing about going for the centerline Notes being GP or not. The more you describe it as GP, the more you imply someone not discussing it with you is “un-GP.”
It is not.
Would I do it? Possibly at lower levels of play where other opponents are potentially weaker and come up to us and say they want to try something. But…practice fields at events and practice matches exist for this.
At higher levels, I don’t think I personally would discuss with opponents. The centerline Notes are a critical dynamic mechanism in this game.
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Discuss if you like that can be mutually beneficial.
Don’t expect anything of the other team especially without clear agreement. I would definitely not volunteer the information of “we are going here” and be disappointed if they slam into on auto defense. That is part of the game and there is absolutely no shame in it.
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I just think a strategy that is purely with the intention of damaging an opponent robot is shameful.
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It’s Legal. Strategically not advisable.
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I think the point was teams are unpredictable not intentional damaging.
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This is different from your original question though.
If you’re not going to try to intake a game piece and are only going there to defend a piece or hit someone, it is going to be a gray area for refs (edit: if damage occurs).
Determining intent in FRC is almost never feasible for refs. I don’t see anything wrong personally in a little game of chicken. It means teams going for the center will design to be quicker and need their own systems to prevent collision, or robot designs to handle those collisions.
This is a design challenge.
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They are defending not damaging. You should build a robot that can be defended. They are completely within the rules and intent of the game.
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No.
Disagree. If the other team doesn’t discuss it w/ me I wouldn’t think its non-GP. Just neutral.
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I think if two alliances talk before the match and have autos that pick up game pieces in the center of the field and DON’T collide with an opponent’s robot then both alliances should get a coopertition point.
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Yes good point. You have changed my mind.
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If I’m on an alliance where none of the bots score from the middle, It’s an entirely valid strategy to have a bot just barrel down the middle, bumping pieces out of the way, to attempt to deny opponents potential scoring.
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this is a nit-picky response from myself, but only if you cross the center line completely should it be a rule gray area
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robots hitting each other is not damaging in itself.
Why would you take the foul hit without doing something advantageous to your alliance in the process?
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game of chicken I guess… do the opponents play it safe in auto and let you go hog wild? or call your potential bluff/ meet you head on?
I think this thread has made clear to me why the designers chose a mirrored field again.
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Edited my post to add “if damage occurs”
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