Just curious if anybody thinks its possible. After watching the 254 and 1678 180 point match its amazing watching the teams compete at the highest level and I’m so curious if any two teams will be able to break through this score!
This will depend on the 2nd picks. Top half AC + 1st Pick in many (most?) CMP divisions will be strong enough shooters to get to 200, UNLESS they are very well defended. My take is that they will be.
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Good point, even stellar defense will not stop three top-tier shooters. Maybe we will see hints of this level of play at DCMPs?
I think an unpenalized 200 is more likely to happen than not at this point.
I agree.
At Champs, the pool of good teams per division (especially this year with 1 champ), will have good 3rd and 4th robots. If 3 robots per alliance are raining balls, its very possible. Plus, the more shots you make, the more those balls get cycled out available in various spots on the field.
Could it happen? Sure, but I don’t see it happening in playoffs. More likely to happen with 3 tier 1 teams getting randomly assigned in a qual match.
Agree… without defense
My wager is that it will happen, but it will only happen in a qualification match at a DCMP or perhaps only in Houston.
In playoffs it will obviously be more common for two of the strongest bots to play together, but in playoffs the opposing alliance will have a much stronger incentive to play defense. In quals, an alliance that goes against two of the competition’s top two robots might well think “we have no chance of winning, might as well leave them alone and focus on getting the two bonus RP so we don’t drop too far in the rankings.” If you look at the previous 5-6 world records, only one was earned in playoffs (and that was 156, a score which has been passed several times since), the rest were all in quals.
Now, the reason I think this will only happen at a championship (either The or District), is because over the world’s top two scorers playing undefended will have a hard time reaching 200. In a championship quals match, there is a chance (low but exists) that we could get all three of the top robots (or, say, 3 of the top 5) in one alliance. That obviously can’t happen in playoffs, because of the serpentine alliance selection method.
A possibility at SVR this weekend.
1323 5817 and 973 got 181-0 after penalties in quarter finals so we’re almost there.
If we’re talking about penalized scores, then I’d say 200 points is almost a certainty at this point!
Yeah, Final 1 at LAR saw 48 penalty points resulting from 5 tech fouls. Those were thrown because of excess hoarding of opposing Cargo
I think it happens once or twice, but it’s gonna be really close. I think we’re really close to optimized cycles for only having 11 cargo of each alliance color as it is. In most scenarios, ball starvation strategies tend to be more academic than practical, but when you’re talking about a 200 point match, robots of this caliber are essentially starving themselves of cargo with how quickly they’re scoring.
Take this screenshot from the 180 point match at Sacramento
Even without a 3rd red robot possessing any red cargo, there’s only 3 red cargo on the carpet to be possessed at this moment. The rest are either being processed by the upper hub or already in 1678s or 254s robots. There are several other moments in this match that have similar situations. For a 200 point match, most of us are presuming 3 scoring machines, but this suggest their aren’t really enough cargo to sustain cycles near this speed. Each of the offensive bots will end up slowing each other down somewhat as they utilize a shared resource (cargo availability).
Now, if a triple traversal climb is part of the match, it opens up the possibility much more.
If 1690 is not on a 200 point scoring alliance I will be shocked.
I’d say if it were elims, QF5 (or QF1-2) would be the one. 1st alliance has had a match to shake out the jitters, and they are facing the (theoretically) weakest alliance.
A glance at what an alliance with 3 scoring robots can look like:
(Practice match from Sac)
If taxis had been counted and 254/1678 got the double traversal off, it would have broken 200.
Edit: Because someone asked for the VOD:
Based on watching in person many of the 140+ point matches, having high scorers appears to enable even higher scoring by more rapidly cycling cargo back into the field across a wider range. It’s seems to be like the feedback loop in the 2020 game.
Yes