Posted by Joey Lambie.
Student on team #93, N.E.W Apple Corps, from Appleton Area High Schools and Plexus.
Posted on 5/1/2000 6:58 PM MST
Hi! Team 93, The NEW Apple Corps with TOBOR 3. We attended the Midwest Regional, Nationals, and most recently the IRI, all competitions you also took part in. Our team saw your drive system and thought it was an interesting, unique, and exceptional design. We were wondering if we could have information on your dive system, most helpful would be in drawings in .pdf form, but any information would be helpful. Thanks ahead of time for any help or information you can give us.
Thanks,
Team 93 N.E.W. Apple Corps with TOBOR 3
Posted by Joe Johnson. [PICTURE: SAME | NEW | HELP]
Engineer on team #47, Chief Delphi, from Pontiac Central High School and Delphi Automotive Systems.
Posted on 5/1/2000 7:40 PM MST
In Reply to: Drive System posted by Joey Lambie on 5/1/2000 6:58 PM MST:
I guess if you don’t ask you don’t know…
I will give you credit for boldness, but not enough to provide prints (.pdf format or any other format) 
You are right to realize the importance of drive systems, but I think you are misguided to think of copying someone else’s lock stock and barrel.
‘The Swerve’ as we call it, has been 3 years in the making. Without the hard won battles of actually working out the bugs for ourselves it would not be the system it is.
So… I encourage you to look for advantages in your drive system, but I encourage you to make your drive system your own.
There are lots of folks online here with help if you are interested. Ask questions, run experiments, build a prototype over the summer, get smart in the offseason.
Good luck,
Joe J.
Posted by Joey Lambie.
Student on team #93, N.E.W Apple Corps, from Appleton Area High Schools and Plexus.
Posted on 5/4/2000 9:09 AM MST
In Reply to: You can look as much as you like, but prints? posted by Joe Johnson on 5/1/2000 7:40 PM MST:
: I guess if you don’t ask you don’t know…
: I will give you credit for boldness, but not enough to provide prints (.pdf format or any other format)
: You are right to realize the importance of drive systems, but I think you are misguided to think of copying someone else’s lock stock and barrel.
: ‘The Swerve’ as we call it, has been 3 years in the making. Without the hard won battles of actually working out the bugs for ourselves it would not be the system it is.
: So… I encourage you to look for advantages in your drive system, but I encourage you to make your drive system your own.
: There are lots of folks online here with help if you are interested. Ask questions, run experiments, build a prototype over the summer, get smart in the offseason.
: Good luck,
: Joe J.
Thanks, and i must admit i didnt expect prints from you guys and that we do have some ideas on how you have created that different type of drive system. We hope to someday model or even build an improved system of your drive and we did by know means intend on fully copying your system and would like to apologize if you so thought so. Thanks for the response and hope to be able to compete with you once again(are you guys going to be at the B.O.M.B. competion on June 23rd-24th?). Thanks and talk to you later.
Joey Lambie
Posted by Bill Beatty.
Other on team #71, Team Hammond, from Team Hammond.
Posted on 5/6/2000 8:40 AM MST
In Reply to: Re: You can look as much as you like, but prints? posted by Joey Lambie on 5/4/2000 9:09 AM MST:
Joey
As long as you are asking, try for the software. I think it would be much more interesting and difficult to duplicate than the mechanical parts of SWERVE.
Bill B
Posted by Joe Johnson. [PICTURE: SAME | NEW | HELP]
Engineer on team #47, Chief Delphi, from Pontiac Central High School and Delphi Automotive Systems.
Posted on 5/9/2000 8:10 PM MST
In Reply to: Forget The Prints-Ask For The Software posted by Bill Beatty on 5/6/2000 8:40 AM MST:
Bill Bill Bill,
How sharp is your mind!?!?
As usual, you have gotten to the real nub of the matter.
The code that lets our two-wheel-independent-swerve work is indeed the more valuable bit of information.
It is no exaggeration to say that it took us 3 years to think out not only how the software should behave, but how the human interface should be done.
After we had all that sort of noodled out, it took me approximately 50 hours to code in PBASIC (really! – I can’t say enough bad things about unsigned 16 bit math).
Bottom line, it turned out to be 9 extremely elegant lines of code – and no you can’t have them
Ask me again after you’ve thought about it for a while… …perhaps 3 years
Can’t wait for 2001!
Joe J.
P.S. Rumor is that all the dates for next year are set already (including Disney!) – Anybody got the goods? I don’t but I wish I did. Spill 'em if you’ve got 'em.
Posted by Nate Smith.
Other on team #66, GM Powertrain/Willow Run HS, from Eastern Michigan University and GM Powertrain.
Posted on 5/10/2000 9:21 AM MST
In Reply to: Bill gets to the nub of the matter… …again! posted by Joe Johnson on 5/9/2000 8:10 PM MST:
: P.S. Rumor is that all the dates for next year are set already (including Disney!) – Anybody got the goods? I don’t but I wish I did. Spill 'em if you’ve got 'em.
According to my VERY reliable sources, kickoff 2001 is scheduled for January 6, which just happens to fall at the end of my semester break…so guess where I’ll be that day? =)
See everybody at the WMRC on Saturday!
Nate
Posted by Bill Beatty.
Other on team #71, Team Hammond, from Team Hammond.
Posted on 5/12/2000 8:16 AM MST
In Reply to: Bill gets to the nub of the matter… …again! posted by Joe Johnson on 5/9/2000 8:10 PM MST:
Joe J
Please note that I did not ask for your stuff. I was trying to talk Joey into it!
Only nine lines? It makes my head hurt.
Bill B