This will be the second to last of our Build Season Casts and probably one of the better ones.
We’ll be discussing some interesting topics such as:
-Robot Unveils
-Initial Game Impressions Based On Scrimages Throughout the Weekend
-2/14’s Team Update and it’s Effect on the Game
-And the Usual Stuff (Where you should be, updates, Q&A)
As always the Call Will Be Live at 9pm EST at our Talkshoe Page: http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.jsp?masterId=98466&cmd=tc
You guys are awesome. cant wait to tune in. lolz
I’ve missed all of the last ones and only listened to recordings, but i’ll tune into this one!
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<Guest 9> I call it lockdown day so it sounds less lame
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<BrendanB> James, what happened at your scrimmage? Nashua was like the complete opposite of ct!
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<Guest 26> thats a nice name, lockdown day
<jtemple> CT had some…difficulties
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<Guest 23> we call it in da crate day.
<Guest 9> applause
<robodude03> ^
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We haven’t gotten our KOP yet…
<Guest 18> …
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<Guest 9> “if you haven’t locked down a design yet…”
<Guest 9> “ummm…”
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<Guest 26> same here haha
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<Guest 24> Yrp
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<Guest 18> troll bots dead
<novatose> has anyone seen any fanbots?
<Guest 18> not yetttt
<BrendanB> nope
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<robodude03> ha ha had that idea…
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<Guest 18> i heard team discovery has something neat to collect balls
<GCentola1126> got the audio
<Guest 18> but i dont know what it is
<alecmataloni111> I’m getting no sound at all.
<BrendanB> 134 says they have 6 775’s on their robot.
<robodude03> try logging in and out, it has helped others alecmataloni111
<Guest 18> my team is using 11 motors
<jtemple> I saw that lol…
<BrendanB> I’m hoping that was a typo
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<alecmataloni111> i reset my browser twice already =(
<GCentola1126> I switched from IE to Chrome…
<BrendanB> keep retrying i restarted by browser 4 times before it worked
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<BrendanB> Oh, if you have mecanums… good luck with the bridge!
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<novatose> ^
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<robodude03> hey sisk
<alecmataloni111> Theeere we go =)
<robodude03> grats ^
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<robodude03> took me twice to get it to work
<stevend223> i had that problem last week
<stevend223> took me a bunch to work
<stevend223> it seems to just be a random thing
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<Guest 18> I love you man but you are not very good at reading these rules
<BrendanB> probabaly
<Joony13> no
<BrendanB> depending on who the ref is
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<Guest 18> Haha they are being pretty open-ended on that
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<Joony13> You can’t argue the common sense definition of grab, grapple, or grasp.
<Guest 18> you can, but you shouldn’t
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<BrendanB> you can but you can’t when a head ref has a different interpretation of grapping
<smitsmcgee> 179 looks like its grabbing, but they dont actually
<alecmataloni111> If they had 2 edges holding onto the bridge, then I would say yes.
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<Guest 18> poor swamp thing,
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<Guest 7> the other 10% are reasonably astute
<GCentola1126> it looks like it is…but it isnt
<Guest 18> We have someone from 179 on chat…
<Joony13> I would say, on close observation, 99% of people would say otherwise
<Guest 26> 973 is doing emperor swerve right?
<Swampdude179> The team is making a mini mock up to demo the maneuver for judges/ref/ and fellow balancers
<Joony13> 23!
<Guest 9> they are hanging…
<schreiaj> http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=103305
<GCentola1126> 399 is pretty cool
<alecmataloni111> I’ve only seen 399.
<jtemple> 2054 is awesome
<Joony13> 23 has a cannon.
<Guest 9> hanging isn’t grabbing
<GCentola1126> except for that part where they looked like they were going to tip
<IndySam> 1501 does it too
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<patpat829> ^
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<pyeung45> 179 looks like a beast
<GCentola1126> 23’s cannon is pretty sweet
<Guest 30> 1918 and 2771 are in that video too
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<Joony13> Someone actually BUILT that design???
I saw threads on CD discussing it
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<stevend223> robots on robots on bridges!
<schreiaj> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AhSDXvhZ1U
<GCentola1126> at least there arent minibots…
<alecmataloni111> skip to 1:35 on their video to see the balancing act
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<BrendanB> I wouldn’t put my robot on that i’m sorry
<Joony13> they can only carry 1 ball at a time though
<GCentola1126> 2
<GCentola1126> they can have one in the cannon and on in their robot
<Guest 30> 1918 The NC Gears robot was also unveiled in that video
<patpat829> In the video you don’t see them actually do it. The one time it “worked” looks like the mentor caught it…
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<smitsmcgee> we were likeeeee 80% with dead reckoning. at least.
<novatose> how have your guys’ predictions about shot accuracy changed?
<schreiaj> good question, hold on a second
<novatose> change*
<smitsmcgee> i think mine have held true, ball density plays a huge part
<Guest 22> how much faster is field reset compared to other years, and how many more matches do you think we can get than years past?
<IndySam> no they are lighter
<Guest 18> It cant possibly take very long
<schreiaj> Indy, are they?
<schreiaj> It’s so that they can take a hit
<schreiaj> right?
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<IndySam> yes, to make them easier to pull down for field reset
<BrendanB> reset is a LOT faster
<BrendanB> James do you think that is from teams not having tuned robots?
<jtemple> yes
<jwfoss> yes
<Joony13> yes
<stevend223> i was at the watchung scrimmage on a MAR field
<Guest 10> Does anyone know what the high score was at Suffield?
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<BrendanB> ours was around 50 but the key is a huge area to shoot from.
<smitsmcgee> yeah, everyone was out of tune
<Guest 23> jwfoss would know
<jtemple> high at suffield was 41
<Guest 10> thanks
<Joony13> Einstein? 80%
<Guest 7> 811 and 3467 were the only ones that came close to 50 at Nashua I think
<Guest 9> media is going to be hella low
<BrendanB> yeah that was a beast match
<smitsmcgee> lots of teams at penfield werent calibrated
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<Guest 18> i hear 1507 was working well at penfield
median*. we are spending tomorrow calibrating PID stuff and nothing else
<Guest 18> whats their bot like?
<smitsmcgee> hey! 1507 is me!
<Guest 9> and i need to bend the aluminum sheet for the electronics cover
<smitsmcgee> who told you?
<Guest 18> haha nice
<GCentola1126> they have an Acquisition system that also tips the bridge
<Guest 18> um a Devil Tech 1559 scout
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<smitsmcgee> nice
<stevend223> gcentola, i’ve seen a few teams that have that
<Guest 18> yeah
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<GCentola1126> the design is pretty cool.
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<smitsmcgee> centola, we have a front roller system that pushes the bridge and centers balls
<GCentola1126> Guest 18- 1507 doesnt appear to be able to cross the barrier
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<Guest 18> Ohh ok
<smitsmcgee> as for the rest, its just a conveyor system with a single wheeled hooded shooter
<smitsmcgee> correct, we removed barrier capability.
<novatose> with the lack of defence,why limit yourself to the key?
<Guest 18> Our team can gather from both sides, whoop whoop
<GCentola1126> i hear i was tracking well though!
<smitsmcgee> haha our wrists were well calibrated. all aiming was manual.
<Joony13> But there won’t be any…
<Guest 18> anyone see 2056 yet (that will talk about it)? Kathik im looking at you…
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<Guest 9> not even LogoMotion, “the don’t touch me game”?
<Guest 18> Logomotion had defense in it
<Guest 18> i saw plenty of D
<pyeung45> so much d in 2011
<Guest 9> i feel like they are even, at best
<BrendanB> We had to touch
<Guest 23> not much D this year.
<Guest 18> I havent seen this game played so i cant argue that
<Guest 9> the safe zones were also rougher in lmotion
<BrendanB> We plan on having a random ziptie hand down
<smitsmcgee> with the key being raised, i dont see that being a problem
<Guest 9> defense will develop
<Guest 23> field is seperated
<Guest 9> why would a defense bot be at shakedown?
<Guest 18> Why not? to get attention
<Guest 23> i like robots.
<Joony13> I think the touching was because this year, penalties are only given when in contact with a robot in contact with the key
<Guest 18> i <3 robots
<Guest 9> well, defense bots are inherently underdeveloped and might not even be finished in tome to register for shakedown
<Joony13> hahaha of course
<novatose> How well did the human players do in the final 30 seconds?
<Guest 9> defense will exist because some teams wont be able to do anything else.
<Joony13> I’d like to know that as well (novatose)
<Guest 23> no HP play in the last 30s at Shakedown
<Guest 18> i dont think so
<Guest 9> People go to Suffield to test their systems on the field, not to compete. Right?
<Guest 23> ^both
<Guest 22> any human player baskets made in the last 30 seconds?
<Guest 7> Nashua had a couple hailmarys hit
<GCentola1126> isnt the point of the scrimmage just to test and practice?
<Guest 23> ^and show off.
<Guest 18> No/poor auton
<smitsmcgee> and at penfield, not as many robots
<stevend223> so how many balls total are on the field?
<Guest 18> 23’s design is a beaut
<stevend223> because it seemed like more than stated in the rulebook are on the coopertition bridge
<BrendanB> 18 on the field. auto there is 6 balls on the bridge
<stevend223> hmm
<smitsmcgee> 378 has a slanted, locking manipulator. i liked it.
<Guest 9> ram style bridge droppers scare me
<Guest 7> most nashua bridge manipulators didn’t work well
<Guest 23> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUHYWdP4w5U
<Guest 9> great way to destroy all my electronics work
<smitsmcgee> buuuuuut the bridges at penfield weren’t properly calibrated.
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<Guest 9> on ss bridges were proper comp bridges
<GCentola1126> How did penfield go?
<Guest 23> sheared our windows motor!
<smitsmcgee> ummmm
<smitsmcgee> slow start
<Guest 18> Who turned up?
<GCentola1126> i heard the same few teams were in most of the matches
<smitsmcgee> not many actual “matches,” but plenty of open practice
<Guest 18> off the top of your hear
<smitsmcgee> yeah
<Guest 18> head*
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<Guest 7> if it’s a slanted it has to go well below the bumper I think
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<GCentola1126> so, 1507, how did you do as well as ive heard with manual shooting? Losts of practice?
<smitsmcgee> there were probably 8 to 10 robots ready to drive at penfield at peak time
<BrendanB> twice in nashua
<Guest 9> I hope they change co-op so you get 1 coop point for going on the bridge
<Guest 18> is 1507 GOW?
<novatose> did the 1st seed use the coopertition bridge each time?
<GCentola1126> no
<Guest 9> It’s not my fault i another team doesn’t go up the bridge to pad another team’s ranking
<GCentola1126> GOWis 1551
<Guest 18> oh ok
<Guest 9> coopertition=/=collusion
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<smitsmcgee> the speed is a preset. as for aiming, we have delicate aiming and a decently consistent shooter.
<Guest 7> with two bots, you have to make sure they go up bumper to bumper
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<Guest 7> otherwise the first bot can tip the bridge and flip the other bot over
F FMS
<Guest 9> if communications speeds are as poor as they have been
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<Guest 9> it won’t matter
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<Guest 23> balls roll easily.
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<Guest 23> 90 degrees.
<GCentola1126> did anyonetip the CB in hybrid?
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<Guest 9> angle of bridge is 25
<Guest 9> oh…
<Guest 9> awk
<BrendanB> It depends on your bridge manipulator
<Guest 9> will we see a team score in hybrid, drop bidge, and score those bridge balls?
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<Guest 23> ^yes.
<GCentola1126> hopefully
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<Guest 9> IT WOULD BE AWESOME
<GCentola1126> we all need something to run in terror from
<Guest 9> and shoot in hybrid
<Guest 23> Godzilla.
<stevend223> 469 or 33 will do it
<Guest 9> 33 will do it
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<Guest 9> I bet
<Guest 7> alliance bridge would be nuts
<Guest 9> alsoif you get all 6 of those balls in, the opponents HAVE to put them back in play, so you could run in and get thse from the lane beore the opponent
<stevend223> there was a q&a that clarified that
<Guest 22> how often did 2 balls get stuck in a hoop?
<schreiaj> link?
<schreiaj> to qa
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<stevend223> how can i link directly to a qa question?
<stevend223> it was asked by FRC1741
<stevend223> Q. If a robot shoots a ball during hybrid mode that enters the hoop after teleop begins, will the 3pt bonus still apply? FRC1741 2012-01-30
A. Any Ba
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<stevend223> “Any Basketball that enters the Hoop during the Hybrid period will receive the Hybrid bonus.”
<smitsmcgee> we have a time delay built in
<smitsmcgee> variable
<Guest 9> they will probably go back and add points later if the delay for points scoring happens
<IndySam> we have no spin up time
<GCentola1126> simon, how long does it take for your shooter to warm up?
<Guest 23> “you better have your balls in the hoop!”
<GCentola1126> .0000001 seconds?
<Joony13> YES?
<stevend223> 175 have a catapult
<Guest 9> we have a front switch panel that gives you a delay if we aren’t going to drop the bridge
<GCentola1126> hows your bridgey thingy? Braxton said you said it was having some issues
<Guest 9> the “2nd place switch”, if another team has a better auto than us
<smitsmcgee> inside expand!
<Guest 9> 2009, you were dump, vomit, or shoot
<GCentola1126> 1559
<smitsmcgee> we had an inside expand last year too
<Guest 9> 2010 you were kick, push, climb, no climb, over bump, under platform
<stevend223> same build concept-different executions
<patpat829> Cant really count ours as a Catapult…
<smitsmcgee> bottom wheel shooter, bottom and top, side and side
<Guest 9> now you are shoot, launch, dump
<patpat829> or a wheeled shooter
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<Joony13> Yay for our wide robot
<Joony13>
<Joony13> Simon, you hear that?
<Guest 22> thats why you shrink the entire robot so the widest side is only 28" long
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<Guest 9> Widebots for life <3
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<Guest 9> COG was a beautiful nightmare
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<robodude03> ^ ha ha
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<novatose> now,have we seen any longbots that are the length of the width maximum?
<Joony13> Wide, and still doesn’t tip
<Joony13> proud
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<Guest 9> and our appendage doubles as a base extender to prevent a change in robot orientation (tipping)
<stevend223> they were able to balance pretty well at watchung scrimmage
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<stevend223> they were able to easily dual balance with a longbase
<IndySam> we tipped over three times
<Guest 9> never tipped our wide bot. So proud of our guys
<robodude03> ^ congrats
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<robodude03> how tall is your bot Guest 9?
<Guest 9> havent gone over barrier yet 0_0
<Guest 7> Nashua tipped a few, but not many
<Guest 9> low gearing saves lives… I mean robots
<Guest 9> 46 inches tall
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<Guest 9> about 20 of 120 pounds are above 16 inches though
<Guest 9> the rest is all sitting down
<Guest 9> and the battery is also VERY Low
<smitsmcgee> penfield didnt see many tips, and most were bridges
<Guest 9> and it’s towards the front since our appendage prevents front tipping
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<Joony13> Limestone!
<Joony13> Keep in mind, we were wide
<Joony13> so smaller height differences = greater angle differences
<GCentola1126> how much cossing was there though? did teams do it a lot or did they just stay on one side
<Guest 9> they said it was infrequent at best
<smitsmcgee> for penfield?
<Guest 9> especially on the barrier
<Joony13> Insert I told you so for Anthony
<GCentola1126> they would pull it off
<smitsmcgee> there were always enough balls on both sides, so nobody went over unless they were specifically practicing it
<IndySam> yup, we gave up
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<GCentola1126> speaking of catching air… http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/15331
<Guest 9> the front of your chassis has to be above 4 inches
<jwfoss> http://jwfoss.posterous.com
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<Guest 9> the wheel size isnt too relevant
<Guest 9> (says the team with 8inch wheels)
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<Guest 10> Mechanum wheels look difficult to control on the bridge
<GCentola1126> How are tank treads working for 639?
<Guest 9> mecanum drive this year is a deathwish
<GCentola1126> NICE
<GCentola1126> meh-KAN-um?
<GCentola1126>
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<GCentola1126> 118 in 2206?
<jtemple> MECH-an-um
<IndySam> you will see a lot of mecanums
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<Guest 9> Can we agree that mecanum drive is nowhere near as useful this year as it was last year or in 2010?
<GCentola1126> well, swerve
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<GCentola1126> but they had 4 sided in 06 didnt they?
<Guest 9> if it ever is too useful
<GCentola1126> sad face
<stevend223> balls getting stuck under the bridge
<stevend223> OMG
<alecmataloni111> http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/37286 is it this one?
<Guest 9> why not have some more rigid plywood underneath?
<robodude03> alec yeah I think that is the bot they were referencing
<stevend223> its that metal bar under the bridge
FIRST was trying some goofy PVC pipes added under the bridge at Nashua and those didn’t work at all either
<Joony13> yes
<alecmataloni111> Yes
<Joony13> that too
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<GCentola1126> hi
2009 FMS?
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<Guest 9> DEAR GOD
<Guest 9> what about live scoring?
<Guest 9> Too much data in da tubes?
<GCentola1126> hi
<Guest 9> Nice. I think of 09 scoring… waiting for final scores in elims made me want to die
<Joony13> yyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeesssssss
<Joony13> ?
<Guest 30> I loved that wait
<Guest 9> i dont like sudden cardiac arrest
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<Guest 9> that makes more sense
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<Guest 9> less tense
<Guest 9> and no awkward redo if its tied 1-1
<Guest 9> yeah
<stevend223> was that just shakedown? or is that gonna be everywhere
<Guest 44> I was typing that AS you asked…
<stevend223> last year human players had an awkard moment of having to walk with the other alliance hahahahahahaha
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<jsneer> dustin hop on facebook
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<Guest 9> assisted?
<Guest 9> like you mean 179?
<GCentola1126> how many QP do you think the top 8 will have?
<GCentola1126> Im leaving now. Bye guys!
<smitsmcgee> bye!
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<alecmataloni111> hahahahahaha
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<Guest 9> fastest minibot in 2011 at iri, long jump and high jump at 2012 iri?
<Guest 9> biased in saying turrets aren’t necessary
<Guest 9> unnecessary weight and call for perfection
<stevend223> it depends on your design IMO
<Guest 9> easier to code for a static launcher and camera
<smitsmcgee> ours is not essential for key scoring, but important if we want to hit some angles
<Baselthe2nd> The key rules make turrets mostly superfluous
<smitsmcgee> our turret is finer adjustment than moving the drivetrain
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<IndySam> our pneumatic wheels didn’t work well
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<stevend223> bridge manipulator as well
<stevend223> redesigned it today and its awesome
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<stevend223> we found out ours doesnt work because of bumpers
<smitsmcgee> we have a gearmotor with a pretty decent reduction
<IndySam> common guys CYLINDER!
<jwfoss> did i say piston? my bad, i correct the kids on that too.
<pyeung45> we have to redesign our bridge manip.
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<smitsmcgee> we had to put a ton of weight under ours too
<smitsmcgee> and still havent seen a real one
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<Guest 45> How many have to sign the form?
<IndySam> separate bag for bumpers!
<Guest 36> bumpers can be bagged and tagged separately
<Guest 7> careful installing bumpers, you may not fit through a door very well
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<Guest 9> you don’t make velcro covers?
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<jwfoss> we make two sets of bumpers
<Guest 9> might as well keep them off because they have to come off for inspection
<IndySam> over 18 non-student
<Guest 45> Only one person?
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<Guest 9> you get like 6-7 bags
<IndySam> yes
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<Guest 7> Robot Transportation call on this page may be helpful: http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprograms/frc/frc-senior-mentor-teleconference-recordings
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<Guest 9> at virginia
<schreiaj> http://frc-manual.usfirst.org/viewItem/7#5.3
<Guest 9> they had judges mark bags early thursday
<Guest 9> green or red for go or no go
<Guest 61> Hello, David from 399
<Joony13> yup
<Joony13> that’s what happened to us last year
<Guest 45> Can more then one person (over 18) sign the form?
<IndySam> no you can ship from your home
<stevend223> yeah, and if you’re crating, yo u have to have your bag in your crate
<JacobP79> from your shop
<Guest 7> “stop build day”
<stevend223> “stop build day”
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<Guest 9> file sharp edges: you pass inspection and dont tear your bag
<schreiaj> http://www.usfirst.org/sites/default/files/uploadedFiles/Robotics_Programs/FRC/Game_and_Season__Info/2012_Assets/Robot_Lock-Up_Form.pdf
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<Guest 7> I would expect some ref call type stuff
<Guest 9> Team Update 02-21-12: We’re now playing soccer
<Guest 7> Aidan was at Nashua
<alecmataloni111> [R147] Appendages are now illegal.
<Guest 9> coopertition bridges will be renamed as “collusion bridges”
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<stevend223> “Balancing must be done from below the bridge, you must now be completely under the bridge to count as balanced”
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If a COTS part is on a subsystem that weight is counted as 30 lbs right?
<jtemple> yes
<schreiaj> yes
<Guest 9> Remember: EVEN BUMPERS COUNT.
<Guest 9> (to your 30)
<IndySam> unless you have modified wires and such
<alecmataloni111> 71 built half their robot at midwest last year.
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<Guest 9> my pet peeve is that it’s not an exception, but whatever
<robodude03> 968 at SD last year too
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<IndySam> good job
<Guest 9> Unless you lie awake freaking out over the regional
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<avanboekel> Now the real discussion begins
<Guest 45> Night
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<stevend223> hahahahaha so it begins
