Hey everyone, sorry for the late notice but I just wanted to remind you all that we’ll be doing another one of our weekly EWCPcasts tonight, 2/5/12 at 9pm EST on our Talkshoe Page: http://www.talkshoe.com/tc/98466
Hope you can tune in!
YAY! What’s tonight’s topic?
Just the usual stuff, where you should be going into week 5, Team Update Discussion, random Q&A stuff, etc. A lot of the usual folks are out tonight because of it being Superbowl Sunday so this one might be short and sweet.
I always enjoy listening in on the casts, thanks for putting them on.
Also, plus 1 for the name, ROBROCAST!
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<Meredith16> They will be competing with 16 and 148 at Dallas East!
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<IndySam> can hear Jack
<SuperNerd256> We're driving around, picking up balls, shooting points, and balancing on the bridge! All with separate robot parts in different areas around our shop
<grimtuesday> haha
<Guest 38> thats ok
<Guest 38> Just set them up on the field at there correct places!
<SuperNerd256> lol.
<Guest 38> but that frame rule
<Guest 38> hmmm...
<SuperNerd256> We're putting it all together Tuesday, so it'll be good
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<Guest 16> is it too late to call in?
<SuperNerd256> Probably not. I may do so later on.
<stevend223> i might call in as well
<Guest 38> not me
<SuperNerd256> EVERYONE CALL IN! (No, not really. That would be disasterous)
<Guest 38> Im watching the superbowl right now
<stevend223> let's get EVERYONE in FIRST to
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<SuperNerd256> Challenge Accepted
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<Guest 20> Simon, we're always overweight but I think this year will be less bad than last year
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<SuperNerd256> We're about 90 pounds, leaving us with 30 pounds for a bridge manipulator. Hmmm....
<Bryan33> We also use a huge robot sized scale
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<msimon785> We have an academic physics scale
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<Guest 38> what is the oppinion on solidworks vs inventor
<Guest 38> ?
<msimon785> Our Inventor weight was 22.5 lb for chassis. Actual measurement was 15.4lb.
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<MarcS> Solidworks is the best for weight and just everything in general. I havent' spent nearly as much time on inventor as solidworks though.
<Guest 38> maybe they could talk about that
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<Guest 14> solidworks vs inventor?
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<Guest 38> correct
<Guest 38> could you bring it up?
<SuperNerd256> Whiteboard = BEST CAD
<stevend223> pssh google sketchup :p
<Guest 38> YEAHHHH
<Bryan33> CAD = Crayon Aided Design
<SuperNerd256> MS Paint.
<Guest 38> I only use print screen button
<msimon785> @SuperNerd256: No.
<SuperNerd256> lol
<MarcS> Solidworks sketch tool.
<Guest 38> I have to arrange applications to resemble a robot
<IndySam> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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<Guest 34> G21
<MarcS> http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=102068
<Guest 34> http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1119300
<IndySam> Please talk about 179's bot
<schreiaj> Indy, we will
<IndySam> cool
<msimon785> Yes
<msimon785> 1515 is redoing the Touch Screen OI
<msimon785> It's 46"x12.5"
<SuperNerd256> Our 2012 Driver Station fits in our yellow Platt briefcase
<MarcS> Pc2- smallest computer ever.
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<Bryan33> We use an aluminum briefcase.
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<stevend223> simplification of rules=need for a better q&a system
<Meredith16> I just hope they are not waiting to refine the game after week 1 :(
<SuperNerd256> Same
<SuperNerd256> However if there are any changes, they will happen after week one.
<stevend223> a lot of Q
<stevend223> not much A
<Guest 34> The Q&A basically banned wheels on appendages
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<stevend223> "If multiple items exit the Frame Perimeter and are not contiguous outside the Frame Perimeter, they are considered multiple appendages."
<Guest 40> I don't see how that bans wheels
<stevend223> we were considering putting wheels on our appendage
<stevend223> "Recent G21 rulings may make any wheel,gear,roller,etc on an appendage illegal. There will ALWAYS be a moment between when the wheel edge and the cent
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<Guest 34> http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1119422&postcount=85
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<Guest 38> 8" on each side of each vertex
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<SuperNerd256> 179
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<SuperNerd256> I seriously see that as winning Einstein. Or at least getting on Einstain
<jeremypg399> gah. calls keep getting dropped...
<schreiaj> http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101676
<MarcS> 111 world finalist with 254 in 2001.
<SuperNerd256> yup
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<Guest 38> I concer
<Guest 38> uggg call
<Guest 38> did I loose it our u guys too?
<Guest 40> that assumes they weigh 120
<Guest 38> so just mee
<SuperNerd256> They can shoot
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<MarcS> If thats considered grappling then EVERY robot on the bridge is grappling.
<SuperNerd256> They're ALL illegal!
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<SuperNerd256> haha....ball game
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<Guest 14> -.-
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<Guest 34> 0 to be exact
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<SuperNerd256> Who thinks we're going to see 3 long robots balance, and how often>?
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<novatose> not very often in my opinion,but i think it will happen
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<IndySam> they also may change the bonus points awarded
<SuperNerd256> They didn't change minibots last year, and that was clearly unfair at times.
<MarcS> Central valley, 3 ballancing on both sides in the finals, calling it right now.
<novatose> marc,is that successful balancing? Or attempted?
<SuperNerd256> I like it Marc! 256 is going wide this year. I think we can give you an offer you can't refuse... :D lol
<Guest 49> bottom row points was a very nice rule change
<SuperNerd256> And we're attending CVR
<Guest 49> much better balance
<Guest 49> You could make a 12 point set of tubes versus 6
<Guest 49> 3
<MarcS> That was haunting, einstien 2011, and no we are champions song afterwards.
<SuperNerd256> lol
<Bryan33> 10 balls ish
<novatose> about 7-8
<SuperNerd256> It depends how good their opponents score, how well human players can feed, and how good teams can collect balls from their opponent's alley.
<Bryan33> 5-6 would be pretty bad guys.
<stevend223> giants win 21-17 for those who are interested
<IndySam> we won't miss :)
<SuperNerd256> Neither will we Indy. ;)
<Guest 49> top tier hitting 12 shots seems reasonable
<schreiaj> Bryan, have you seen the averages from previous years?
<SuperNerd256> What does everyone think will be the score/miss ratio for balls shot?
<novatose> 1/4
<Guest 49> 90% probably around 4-6 shots made during teleop
<IndySam> I'll tell you after ref training
<MarcS> 1 out of every 4 shots goes in, average.
<SuperNerd256> lol
<Guest 40> if you shoot from the back of the key and someone is blocking you, you're not going to make it anyway
<SuperNerd256> Why one out of 4?
<Guest 40> you're trajectory would almost certainly be too low
<MarcS> hard target to hit, have you ever played basketball?
<SuperNerd256> Yes.
<Meredith16> I think 1 of 10 in qualifications.
<novatose> Also,are we all basing our score/miss on the top basket?
<SuperNerd256> That all depends from how far you shoot from.
<SuperNerd256> I'm basing ours on the middle basket.
<Guest 49> very few 0 vs 0 this year
<SuperNerd256> How much defense will you think will be preformed in front of the fender?
<Meredith16> There were 0, 1, 2..point matches in 2010 and you could PUSH the balls in...
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<SuperNerd256> That's what we're doing.
<IndySam> we can dump on the middle but we won't miss from the key :)
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<schreiaj> Meredith, we made it to the finals by pushing balls in (This is Dustin on Andrew's account)
<SuperNerd256> We're going to be like 254 from 2006. Run up to the scoring area, unload all of our balls, and get out of there ASAP.
<Bryan33> Anyways, what I was refering to was dumping in the 2 point goal.
<Meredith16> 2006 and 2010, you could do well pushing. None of that this year!
<novatose> also,you had robots pushing,now we are all shooting on the same,small gall
<Meredith16> ^exactly
<Bryan33> I think there will be lots of teams that do that?
<novatose> dumping? probably not
<IndySam> opposite side
<Bryan33> No, point blank 3 point shooting.
<SuperNerd256> It could be. Depending on which side we pick up from.
<IndySam> no spinning wheels here
<SuperNerd256> Wow. What are you, some kind of wizard???
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<schreiaj> Indy, Catapult?
<MarcS> No wheels.
<jsneer> brb
<Guest 34> That sounds unlikely ;)
<stevend223> did you post that on chief, whoever's talking now?
<stevend223> i remember seeing something like that i think
<IndySam> not a catapult
<avanboekel> you should go over where everyone is in the build process... (unless you already have. I wasn't here for the first part of the cast)
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<IndySam> we call it a flinger
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<Guest 34> 2 CIMs will clear the field
<SuperNerd256> 4 CIMs???!!! *faints I'm keeping all CIMs on my drive
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<MarcS> Please everybody, don't use any sims in the shooter. Keep them all in drive.
<Bryan33> agreed
<SuperNerd256> I <3 my CIMs (I'm the drivetrain manager on 256)
<Guest 49> 118 gonna post soon?
<SuperNerd256> I miss 118's 3 week videos
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<IndySam> we will be keeping our secret
<Bryan33> We are planning on doing another video unveil before our week one district this year.
<Meredith16> Scott, haven't I seen yours?
<jeremypg399> We're looking into making an unveil video this year :)
<SuperNerd256> @Bryan33 Another?
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<IndySam> the bot yes, the shooter no.
<Meredith16> ahh.
<MarcS> No gauntnee but keep your eyes open for 973...
<Meredith16> I like your drive base lots.
<SuperNerd256> :D I'd love to see a 973 video
<Guest 49> plastic gears are wonderful,... when used right
<avanboekel> anyone know where we can get some fisherprices. Doesn't look like AM will have any in the near future.
<Guest 49> what kind of torque does your winch need?
<Meredith16> Barbie car
<Guest 16> dont know the torque
<Guest 49> how much weight does it have to lift, and how fast is it lifting?
<Guest 16> its lifting about 50 inches, dont know how fast yet
<Guest 49> how much weight?
<IndySam> we feel like we are a week behind.
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<novatose> inventor vs. solidworks ,wasn't that going to be addressed?
<SuperNerd256> That's going to be in another chat.
<Meredith16> Autodesk award is due Feb. 17
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<Meredith16> http://students.autodesk.com/ama/orig/Jan20UpdateAutodeskFRCContestRules.pdf
<thefro526> Yay, I can chat under my username now
<schreiaj> Have you been acting as me?
<stevend223> isn't it due march 30th, merideth?
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<Guest 49> Michigan has only awarded 1 WFFA
<Guest 49> for the last few years
<schreiaj> ^ which is derp
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<Guest 49> 3 chairman's, 1 WFFA, 1 or 2 rookie allstars
<Guest 40> I think the change was that MAR teams can submit at a Regional if they attend
<Guest 48> im in mar
<Guest 52> heh, "Hawaii District System"
<SuperNerd256> CA is going to do that eventually. Jim Beck said so.
<stevend223> hawaii+cali, right?
<SuperNerd256> CA and Hawaii
<stevend223> yeah, there's a thread on chief
<MarcS> Brazil national district system.
<SuperNerd256> Yeah, I started it I think.
<Guest 52> CA + Hawaii... hope someone pays for the airfare
<Guest 48> Yes
<jeremypg399> Beck is talking with our people about an event down the road from our school
<stevend223> 2 districts in hawaii
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<Guest 48> That would be great
<stevend223> region championship is on a boat in between
<SuperNerd256> Really? That's cool!
<SuperNerd256> lol
<Guest 52> FRC on a boat xD
<Guest 49> FRC on an Aircraft carrier would be awesome!!!!!
<MarcS> Cruise ship championship!
<jeremypg399> Keep an eye out for the Aerospace Valley event in coming years :)
<Guest 52> now there's a real water game
<SuperNerd256> No. You can't. If you are in CA, you can only do CA district competitions.
<Guest 49> stray shots go overboard...
<SuperNerd256> Thanks Jeremy!
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<Guest 52> most teams are two-regional teams... except hawaii teams :<
<Guest 52> and israel teams
<Guest 40> most teams are definitely not two regional teams
<Guest 49> Guest 52, that is not accurrate
<Guest 34> Why?
<SuperNerd256> I heard they will be forced to do their own district.
<Guest 48> hmm
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<Guest 52> I'm not saying that's accurate, I'm repeating what they said in the audio
<SuperNerd256> Which means one regional failure will ruin your average.
<Guest 52> Most teams are definitely not two-regional teams
<schreiaj> Andrew, that's how districts are now
<SuperNerd256> oh.
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<Guest 49> 64
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<Guest 49> and the delta is very small between 40%tile and 60%-tile teams
<Guest 49> 0.8 balls was the median
<SuperNerd256> 0
<SuperNerd256> .8
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<Guest 49> 1.4 is average contribution, but median was 0.8
<Guest 49> for 2010
<Guest 49> you were fed
<Guest 49> balls
<Guest 52> that's kind of shocking given that all you needed back then was a drive train
<thefro526> In 2010 we'd push balls over the bump
<thefro526> or cherry pick the auton balls
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<Guest 52> you really think that that many teams had no drive trains?
<Guest 49> compare week 1 to week 4, and it is a completely different group because everyone can play better
<Guest 52> remember the zone separation; defensive robots in breakaway were usually on defense for the whole match...
<SuperNerd256> People had drive trains. Good strategies and poor driving caused low scores.
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<Guest 52> i'd like to know how that 0.8 number was taken
<Guest 52> was it pre-penalties or post-penalties?
<Guest 49> 8 pts!
<Guest 49> 8pts!
<Guest 49> 8pts!
<SuperNerd256> Guest 49 makes a good point. 8 points in autonomous will be pretty helpful in the beginning.
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<Guest 49> and very very very simple to execute, but most will not do that
<Guest 52> yeah it is
<Guest 52> good team goes to balance, loses points
<Meredith16> any points in autonomous will be helpful
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<Guest 49> instead of scoring 8, most teams will fail at attempting 12...
<novatose> what are your guys' thoughts on a 4 ball hybrid?
<SuperNerd256> We're going for the middle hoops in autonomous.
<novatose> just in any goal
<Guest 49> someone on the alliance needs to put the bridge down
<Guest 52> putting down the bridge is harder than many teams may guess, though
<Guest 52> there's more force required than people probably thought on day 1
<IndySam> There will many bots who wont be able to climb onto the bridge
<Guest 49> A simple wedge bot could tilt it down
<Guest 49> for someone else
<SuperNerd256> Is that considered aiding in balance?
<Guest 14> we're using a cim to push it down (which is in conjunction with our design)
<IndySam> I'm glad we aren't playing week one or two
<Guest 49> 6 hours isn't enough to download code?
<SuperNerd256> Our programmers worked while we built.
<Guest 52> same here
<Meredith16> I'm here with 3 programmers and a driver :)
<IndySam> our programmers are using last years bot to program
<phoebepatwell639> Our programmer got almost no sleep for weeks because we gave it to him so late last year
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<SuperNerd256> We're using our last year's robot to test sensors.
<MarcS> For weeks?^
<Guest 52> we used last year's to figure out auto-balancing the bridge
<IndySam> build two robots :)
<phoebepatwell639> from the end of build until our first competition
<SuperNerd256> Here's a question: You have a main robot, and a small practice bot base. How do you distribute both robots between drivers and programmers in one week
<MarcS> Build 3 robots. Proto, practice, and comp.
<SuperNerd256> We barely got through this build season without demolishing our 2011 bot.
<Guest 52> lose weight; removing the weight could mean dropping functions from the robot and you wouldn't want the programmers to waste time on deleted parts
<Guest 52> ...
<Guest 52> if they already have it done why do they need more time to work on it?
<Guest 14> testing^
<SuperNerd256> To perfect and tune things.
<Guest 51> we lost about 14lbs on thursday at our first competition with speed holes
<Guest 52> done = tested
<Guest 52> not tested = not done
<SuperNerd256> A robot is never "done"
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<MarcS> Our 2011 robot isn't done yet...
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<SuperNerd256> Neither is ours! (In fact, it's now less functional than it was before)
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<IndySam> LOL when is week 5 not stressful :)
<thefro526> Vs Week 6 :P
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<Guest 14> it doesn't even feel like week 5...
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<SuperNerd256> Bye!
<Guest 52> bye
<Meredith16> g'night!
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<SuperNerd256> :|
<IndySam> great job guys!
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<ahill1625> we haven't weighed yet
<Cormier> button heads! much better then socket cap.
<IndySam> practice bot is 120, comp bot will be lighter
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<alecmataloni111> Also, make sure the inspector's foot isn't on the scale
<rcmolloy> we have a lot. went through a box of 500 in one of our assemblies
<JacobP79> I tried to explain that to my students but they didnt listen
<schreiaj> Alec, if I ever inspect your bot I'm doing that
<rcmolloy> roughly, drilled out 50-60 though
<schreiaj> But, I don't actually weight enough
<alecmataloni111> Al Skierkiewicz inspects us every year. and he does exactly that.
<schreiaj> isn't that breaking the conflict of interest form?
<ahill1625> Al did that to me once, grrrr lol
<Cormier> yo aren..
<Cormier> i have a ruckus award design idea. when do you want to start?
<ahill1625> i'll start by bugging you to learn CAD
<BrendanB> I hate that update, we spent a long time in CAD to keep our basket in the 14in.
<Cormier> i know how to use it. but i dont have the skills anymore.
<ahill1625> good project to relearn it
<GCentola1126> alex, are our cad monkeys not good enough :P
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<Cormier> they are a bit busy.
<GCentola1126> it's a good thing Ruckus isnt till October!
<Cormier> I want to get the awards designd and made earlier. no more night before thing.
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<GCentola1126> Inconceivable!
<stevend223> i was out for a sec-what are you guys doing for banebots on the BOM? deducting 30 for the credits?
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<stevend223> thats what i did
<stevend223> i wasnt sure
<stevend223> rookie KOP stuff counts for veterans
<Guest 14> heh
<stevend223> it can't be split up
<stevend223> that's what they ruled, they have to be each number right next to each other no gap
<alecmataloni111> Yes.
<BrendanB> Yes
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<alecmataloni111> Hahahahaha
<BrendanB> hahhahahaha love that!
<alecmataloni111>
<Cormier> that is an excellent scouting tip. check out the bumpers... that will tell you how well the other parts of the robot is made.
<IndySam> LOL
<stevend223> hahahaha
<andybaker45> hey
<ahill1625> banebots was a coupon number in TIMS
<ahill1625> no voucher
<GCentola1126> that is hilarious
<Cormier> yes sir, I have heard of that too.
<ahill1625> oh hey andy is here
<andybaker45> some inspectors are foolish
<schreiaj> some inspectors are inexperienced
<Cormier> Hi Andy Baker
<andybaker45> hey, Alex
<schreiaj> btw Andy, still heading to MAR Cmp?
<IndySam> Andy who?
<BrendanB> some inpectors like judges are new
<ahill1625> Andy, you should come to midwest
<alecmataloni111> ^^^
<andybaker45> I don't think I can come to MAR Champ
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<grimtuesday> Come to flr!
<thefro526> Andy, Nooooooo
<andybaker45> I am not happy about that, but my wife will be gone that weekend (of Mar Champ), and I need to stay home with my kids
<thefro526>
<schreiaj> Wow, so Andy missing a District Championship
<Cormier> The kids can come out with you/
<Cormier> ?
<Cormier> *can't
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<Stogi> wow Andy
<Stogi> disappointed
<andybaker45> guys, this is just like the old 84" rule
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<andybaker45> it's the inspector's job to point it out to the head ref, and the head ref's job to call the penalty if it happens
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<andybaker45> but bumpers don't weigh over 30 pounds
<grimtuesday> 20 lbs each, 2 sets
<IndySam> we have never had 15lb bumpers
<thefro526> two 13lb sets plus 5lbs in robot parts
<schreiaj> I think what Dustin was pointing out was that bumpers DO count for weight.
<andybaker45> yes, agreed
<IndySam> we made our bumpers at Boiler last year because we brought in a 25lb arm
<GCentola1126> This is why we usually do red bumpers and blue covers
<GCentola1126> although the teams that have the flap that switches between red and blue is sweet!
<BrendanB> Its annoying when you work hard to follow rules that others break and get away with because their are no consequences
<schreiaj> Yes
<andybaker45> you could build a whole robot
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<swan217> I've dont that!
<andybaker45> with only 30 pounds of custom parts
<swan217> *done
<jsneer> https://www.facebook.com/ShakerRobotics.Team2791
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<Cormier> AM challenge?
<alecmataloni111> @jsneer That looks awesome, btw
<IndySam> Lots of stupid questions
<BrendanB> Jack nice robot!
<jsneer> thanks
<BrendanB> Can't wait to see it at GSR!
<alecmataloni111> I really like the speed controller placement up the back.
<andybaker45> no
<andybaker45> yes
<stevend223> ex. you can't take apart the pg71 gearmotor and use the motor
<andybaker45> yep
<jsneer> that photo was from last wednesday, so we have covers on our wires and an intake/elevator too
<jsneer> but thanks, designed by sophomores with first time in CAD
<Stogi> gonna shamelessly add this in here btw https://www.facebook.com/pages/Robotics-Memes/107270772736087
<Guest 13> watch the likes increase
<Cormier> Hmm. I wonder if i should buy a huge hige qty of pool noodles and stock and sale them.
<andybaker45> geee... what an idea!
<ahill1625> beaten to the punch
<smitsmcgee> western new york here, we have no trouble walking into a pool supply store and buying noodles in the middle of winter
<BrendanB> Most teams buy them in the summer but rookies have no clue
<Cormier> dont you have them fo sale andy?
<andybaker45> I buy them by the 1000
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<Guest 13> do you epic fall pool parties?
<swan217> Just ask Schreiber or me to send them from Florida
<swan217> Year round
<BrendanB> AM distro in florida! :P jk
<schreiaj> Holy jeez, Swando isn't busy tonight
<swan217> I could totally get into that Brendan
<swan217> Define "not busy." Actually at home on the other hand...
<schreiaj> you were whining you were always busy!
<swan217> I'm just saying, who says I'm not busy
<ahill1625> nope
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<BrendanB> pure win!
<stevend223> their shot looks nice
<swan217> Agreed
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<BrendanB> I think it will win a regional but not einstein
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<alecmataloni111> If they can speed up their 2 point score, then they'll do very well for themselves.
<JacobP79> They'll be like last year, win florida, do fine at champs
<swan217> It reminds me of Hammond '03. Creative, useful, efficient, but totally unnecessary for the game
<BrendanB> What makes it hard for them is that is a steep ramp for a robot to climb!
<smitsmcgee> Every miss is about a 50/50 ball. Every make goes to your opponent.
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<swan217> Yeah - 179's ramp is steeper than the regular ramp. If you had trouble getting up the ramp in the first place...
<XaulZan11> 179 doesnt need robots to climb on their ramp to get 3 robots balanced
<Stogi> Relevant https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=107274382735726&set=a.107274379402393.5856.107270772736087&type=3&theater
<GCentola1126> our trouble is we are playing at FLR and CMPs, so week 2 and CMPS.
<GCentola1126> 2 completely different games
<schreiaj> mhm
<BrendanB> Even if it is like the bump non bump robots can't use it.
<BrendanB> I'd be concerned that our bump robot wouldn't be able to climb that.
<stevend223> it'll be ugly with bumpers
<smitsmcgee> it's adorable.
<swan217> Right, but why make a ramp in the first place? Unnecessary complexity, and it implies that they're gonna sit around the ramp all match
<Cormier> hmm.... I recall a team putting up fake orbit balls onto the top of their bot in 2009...
<GCentola1126> so if you do 1519 in 2008...one robot feeds and one scores
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<XaulZan11> I highly highly doubt 179 will sit on the ramp all match
<swan217> I like the feeder-scorer idea
<BrendanB> Those robots were awesome best first year on a team and we make 2 robots... fun year!
<smitsmcgee> Those who care enough will either procure pictures or at worst watch the webcasts
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<jsneer> moar pictures
<jsneer> https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/421089_322997107737724_200551909982245_796570_1853063906_n.jpg
<GCentola1126> ugh. This discussion always turns ugly
<Meredith16> Does it matter?
<swan217> nope
<stevend223> karthik does nothing but build a robot for 6 weeks
<stevend223> any conversations with karthik during that time arent really him
<Cormier> MORE PIZZA
<GCentola1126> 3 foot long subs, alex?
<BrendanB> What's hard it the whole mentality of sports (kids play coaches coach) same goes for FLL students work coaches don't work on the robot.
<Cormier> i had 3" today.
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<swan217> Who gets more inspired? The kids on a successful mentor-built team, or the kids on a struggling student-built team? I'd say both about the same
<andybaker45> this is an Inspiration program, not a sports program
<schreiaj> ^
<BrendanB> agreed Andy!
<schreiaj> Andy, if you could call in and just say that...
<Meredith16> Our team values whomever builds our robots!
<GCentola1126> Sometimes, mentors step in becasue things need to get done and there arent enough dedicated students to do it.
<Cormier> hi meredith
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<Meredith16> Hi Alex
<GCentola1126> We thank those mentors
<alecmataloni111> Many teams really just want their students to pursue higher education.
<GCentola1126> They have never said anything about Student or Adult coaches either
<Cormier> it felt good to make a part today.
<Cormier> i am at a total of 2 this year.
<stevend223> but in FLL how do you regulate something like that?
<andybaker45> it depends on who you talk to - Lavery has endorsed the adult involvement version very much
<BrendanB> Legos and CNCs are two different tools
<swan217> It's just like Moneyball - The teams with money or mentors are good, but it raises the bar for the other teams to THINK smarter
<JacobP79> ^
<schreiaj> Andy, I'm talking officially come down and said.
<Stogi> http://www.simbotics.org/media/galleries/2012-build-season-week-5
<GCentola1126> I have volunteered at FLL events before, and some of them still accuse winning teams of being "mentor done"
<BrendanB> That is everyones excuse to winning team! ^
<swan217> Plus, how many legos require welding/CNC-milling?
<andybaker45> we sell the gearbox by itself
<andybaker45> yep
<schreiaj> That's a judging item in FLL< we have to ask them questions to determine that.
<schreiaj> (re students did the work)
<IndySam> nope, that's just the gearbox with a 9015
<thefro526> Just realized that
<thefro526> I'm dumb
<thefro526> sorry
<ahill1625> if 816 wins everything i'll complain that you just pulled it out of your fro
<smitsmcgee> it look tie-dyed
<BrendanB> it looks like the same stuff on rollers
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<thefro526> What's Up Aren?
<thefro526> 816 Doesn't Win Events
<Guest 14> camera
<thefro526> It's unpossible
<Guest 23> camera
<Guest 14> video camera
<andybaker45> video camera
<andybaker45> shooting
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<IndySam> camera
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<swan217> Also say video camera
<BrendanB> Honest question. Who is at the stage right now?
<IndySam> us
<schreiaj> ^ He is the 1%
<IndySam> us, we were driving and shooting today
<BrendanB> hahha ^
<smitsmcgee> yeah, we have a completed, driving robot except for signage. but we are by no means done.
<swan217> Definitely driving & practicing this week. Accessories on the other hand...
<XaulZan11> website, as well
<andybaker45> noon?
<Meredith16> Just do website now...
<stevend223> i did website teh day it opened
<XaulZan11> some of our new websites aren't quite done meredith
<andybaker45> so does WFA judging group - no past deadline entries
<stevend223> even if its not done, submit the URL, it wont get judged until a week or so before your regional
<Meredith16> It doesn't matter. The website is judged "live" and won't be for a while.
<IndySam> https://www.facebook.com/groups/28126149400/
<ahill1625> they're just using the gearbox
<Meredith16> The CA application asks if you are submitting it for "rookie all star"
<GCentola1126> what about the video?
<Cormier> indy... love those wheels!
<GCentola1126> Becasue we need to submit it, but it doesnt look like it really does anything?
<IndySam> Wonder where those came from?
<JacobP79> Practice
<JacobP79> trust me
<GCentola1126> we took after the Delphi teams, trying to start a training program
<alecmataloni111> I'm involved with the continued outreach that 111 does, but I was not around to see what our submission looked like. sorry that I can't help.
<GCentola1126> so members know what to say to judges and media
<XaulZan11> 111's winning essay is on their website
<alecmataloni111> Really? I had no idea!
<XaulZan11> yeah, our chairman's team was looking for example and yours was the first one I looked for
<alecmataloni111> I'm glad that we were able to help.
<stevend223> autodesk awards are due march 30th i believe
<XaulZan11> march 30th
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<stevend223> it's the iikos
<XaulZan11> nope
<stevend223> thats what the autodesk document implies
<stevend223> they're only doing it on the national level
<Meredith16> You can submit Autodesk award submissions beginning on Feb. 17.
<jeremypg399> yeah, there is no regional submission to the Championship, with a list of finalists
<stevend223> design AND animation
<stevend223> it used to
<stevend223> now its only on the championship level
<Meredith16> rules are on the autodesk website
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<XaulZan11> The animation document says that it must be submitted between Wednesday and march 30th
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<Stogi> Dustin this is for you
<Stogi> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=266952646708647&set=a.266945316709380.56411.133577100046203&type=3&theater
<swan217> Better figure out who's driving your robot to the competition venue...
<Meredith16> Team 16 is competing week 1 at Kansas City
<Stogi> or for anyone that wanted to see 3929's bot
<thefro526> Nice Akash
<stevend223> rutgers district will be boss
<ahill1625> we'll be there rooting for you Meredith
<thefro526> Although, needs more sex appeal
<Meredith16> well, you cut out anyway
<IndySam> I'm at Smoky week 1
<thefro526> :P at Steven
<IndySam> Pit week 2
<stevend223> rutgers is as jersey as you can get
<XaulZan11> is 829 going to smokey mt week 1?
<IndySam> no just me
<alecmataloni111> Alamo is week 1
<alecmataloni111> 148
<andybaker45> I'm going to Israel this year
<alecmataloni111> AND 118
<XaulZan11> oh ok
<Stogi> We will have Leav OZ Ari during Israel
<andybaker45> so, I can report back when I return
<Stogi> so he will be able to get us info
<swan217> 4am?
<Stogi> Oh and Baker now
<Stogi> sweet
<andybaker45> yes
<andybaker45> I get to help the lead inspector
<JacobP79> Awesome
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<GCentola1126> we had a deaf team at FLR in 2010
<rsisk101> Sorry, had to drop off cya guys. Got a robot to git built
<GCentola1126> and when we went to GTR in 2009, some people spoke french
<stevend223> NJ used to have brazilian teams
<schreiaj> see ya rich
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<stevend223> but what about districts that end on sunday?
<thefro526> I will be at most of them
<GCentola1126> as long as they can be wrapped up on time
<thefro526> They will be over by 6pm anyway
<alecmataloni111> does every regional have a webcast, or is it only select ones?
<schreiaj> It is only regionals who do it
<alecmataloni111> okay. thanks
<schreiaj> [email protected]
<stevend223> i'd talk MAR
<GCentola1126> what about FRCTop25?
<schreiaj> What about them?
<GCentola1126> Wednesdays?
<thefro526> Not Weds after ship?
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<GCentola1126> ahh. I thought these were during competition seasons
<stevend223> im excited for frctop25 this year
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