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<grimtuesday> Posted to my teams facebook, probably about to get a few new people
<grimtuesday> hey garrick!
<smitsmcgee> hahaha they destroy the competition
<thefro526> Hi guys
<smitsmcgee> but they dont actually break anything
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<smitsmcgee> except expectations
<GCentola1126> and simon...quad banebot shooter...just...no :P Those deserve to be taen to 1114s arbor press
<grimtuesday> Oh yes, we call it the Double Double Doozy.
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<SuperNerd256> Our Banebots work, for some reason
<GCentola1126> blasphemy
<smitsmcgee> there's a rochester feud brewin'!
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<Baselthe2nd> Our banebots worked as well. The ones that weren't bad worked quite bad, honestly.
<SuperNerd256> 4 Banebots 775s work
<karthik> We had some 775's that worked last year, but only temporarily. Every one of them eventually developed a case short
<SuperNerd256> lol
<Baselthe2nd> worked quite well*
<grimtuesday> How long can it take them to take 4 motors and put them into a box
<stevend223> haha our 775's work OOB so far
<grimtuesday> 6 days is somewhat ridiculous
<SuperNerd256> I give them a week, maybe 2
<Baselthe2nd> I mean, we had the same 550 on our arm all year.
<stevend223> its a little less than they say
<rsisk101> 6 days is better than 3 weeks like last year
<stevend223> but still long
<BrendanB> 6 days isn't that bad
<BrendanB> consider how much business they are doing
<SuperNerd256> Yeah, true
<grimtuesday> still though; take motor--->box
<rsisk101> My BB motor order was placed 1/23, still has not processed
<BrendanB> After they put everyone eleses motor in boxes who ordered ahead of you
<rsisk101> 2 550s and 2 P60s
<grimtuesday> hmm, OK, makes sense
<rsisk101> p60-64:1
<JacobP79> Ours just shipped and we ordered on MLK day
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<rsisk101> when was MLK day
<BrendanB> Thankfully we had banebots gearboxes left over from last year to use
<rsisk101> we don't need ours until next week, so not worried yet
<JacobP79> two mondays ago
<grimtuesday> Oh so you would let me call in again?
<schreiaj> Can you follow the rules?
<thefro526> We have rules?
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<schreiaj> Keep it PG rated
<schreiaj> and don't derp too hard
<grimtuesday> I can, no swearing
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<stevend223> we're using a lot more ABS 3d-printed this year
<SuperNerd256> I wanna make a robot entirely out of printed parts! Not for competition, but off season stuff.
<stevend223> we made pulleys, and our cost-analysis said $4 a pulley vs 10 from mcmaster
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<stevend223> we sometimes print a scale model of our robot on the printer lol
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<smitsmcgee> hey nick
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<stevend223> if you get a power outage
<stevend223> while you're printing
<stevend223> it gets screwed up badly
<grimtuesday> alright, gonna try calling in
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<BrendanB> 6 3d printers? And we just got a mini lathe this week!
<lawrence1503> Hey Brian
<Guest 5> ugh mini lathes...ours shakes sooo badly
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<BrendanB> We love ours! We already started making andyglobe sprocket mounts.
<GCentola1126> hes probably busy making towels
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<grimtuesday> So if I don't have a PIN, what should I do?
<chrisisme> Jack, is there a Pokeball on your robot yet?
<schreiaj> #1
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<schreiaj> or 1# i can't recall
<thefro526> PIN should be phone number
<chrisisme> our robot*
<grimtuesday> ah
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<jsneer> no pokeball will be going on our robot
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<GCentola1126> one of the 2 Code Reds?
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<Guest 11> Oh... our treads
<schreiaj> 2?
<GCentola1126> :P
<GCentola1126> there are 2 Code Red Robotics
<JacobP79> Ya our bridge is the same way
<Baselthe2nd> 2771 is the other, I believe
<XaulZan11> atleast 2 Code Red
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<JoeDG> What do you use for tank treads, out of curiosity?
<Guest 11> After years and years of tank treads, we have kinda "perfected" it
<GCentola1126> we had treads in 2003
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<XaulZan11> HOT was the 3rd partner that year, right?
<lawrence1503> yup
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<SuperNerd256> It's dark in this part of California
<smitsmcgee> snow is cold, for the record
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<Guest 15> its a wonderfull 30F. in klamath fallls
<BrendanB> There is no snow in New hampshire which is really weird for a winter
<smitsmcgee> im from north of buffalo and its been snowing all day here too
<stevend223> it was like, 60 in jersey on friday
<SuperNerd256> It's a comfortable 60 degrees in Northern California.
<Guest 12> St. Louis has been weird, it feels like spring right now.
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<Guest 22> 10C in London
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<lawrence1503> Lucky you NorCal
<SuperNerd256>
<lawrence1503> G22, London England?
<lawrence1503> or London, Ontario?
<Guest 22> Yep
<lawrence1503> ok
<Guest 22> England
<lawrence1503> What team?
<Guest 22> 1884
<lawrence1503> Nice!
<stevend223> LOL in my part of jersey we got 6 inches last week
<lawrence1503> What regionals?
<thefro526> Wooooo International Listeners!
<thefro526> (not canada)
<Guest 22> WPI
<JacobP79> They either dont have an option or want it to be fully student lead
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<Stogi> Is 1114 that really bad accented team?
<Guest 11> I remember being shocked knowing that other teams get some of their parts machined by other companies
<lawrence1503> eh?
<lawrence1503> We get some sheet stuff done
<lawrence1503> Student designed though
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<GCentola1126> I showed some of the pictures 1114 posted to someone because they showed students working. They refused to believe 1114 had student involvement
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<karthik> The mentors on our team spend most of our time sitting around talking about Football, while the kids work
<lawrence1503> ^^^^^
<schreiaj> I like this idea
<BrendanB> ^not hockey?
<karthik> I'm not even exaggerating
<schreiaj> not the latest moose release from GM?
<lawrence1503> lmfao
<GCentola1126> lol!
<karthik> Nah, we're bigger football fans.
<smitsmcgee> are you all bills fans up in ontario?
<GCentola1126> basketball?
<BrendanB> who do you root for?
<karthik> Some are, I most certainly am not.
<karthik> Cowboys all the way
<lawrence1503> < Not a Bills fan
<lawrence1503> some of my friends are
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<smitsmcgee> as a western new yorker, i dont blame either of you
<karthik> A few of us, myself included, are HUGE basketball fans
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<BrendanB> hence jordan!
<SuperNerd256> We have our base, ball collector, and elevator done, and turreted shooter getting finished.
<Guest 5> on january 6th i didn't care about basketball at all...that changed the following day
<jwfoss> leave NE alone!
<BrendanB> was that a dis on NE?
<jwfoss> ahaha
<Guest 11> WEST COAST DRIIIIVE
<lawrence1503> Our robot is literally a tank, without tank treads.
<thefro526> <3 New England
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<lawrence1503> I really want to build a WCD one day
<BrendanB> east coast beast! :)
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<Guest 11> Our robot is also literally a tank. WITH tank treads.
<smitsmcgee> same here nick
<smitsmcgee> no one else is on board
<lawrence1503> I've got a sheetcoast in my bag of tricks
<lawrence1503> Kinda like 816's
<smitsmcgee> i wish i had a bag of tricks
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<lawrence1503> I've got a bunch of DT's CADed up, they were just for kicks
<smitsmcgee> i need to invest in a laptop that can run cad.
<smitsmcgee> thats something id like to do.
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<schreiaj> http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/37281?
<jsneer> http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/img/f72/f729d3108599da20e2b5a0fcb7f54386_l.jpg
<jsneer> oops
<JoeDG> You could probably do the same thing with same thing with small angle
<JacobP79> we're doing 1/8 thick plate around the frame
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<Guest 11> What software?
<Guest 11> Solidworks?
<schreiaj> I believe Jack uses Inventor
<JoeDG> Absolutely
<GCentola1126> is anyone going long base?
<smitsmcgee> no.
<SuperNerd256> GO WIDE BASE~
<BrendanB> don't say that
<Guest 11> Why wide = better?
<Guest 12> We're going wide based
<jsneer> that is assembled and rendered in solidworks, but i had to cad the individual pieces so other students could view/edit them
<smitsmcgee> long base here, centrola
<jsneer> *in inventor
<Guest 11> I see. We use Autodesk Inventor here at 639
<jwfoss> long, but not 38" is what we ended up at
<Baselthe2nd> Probably less wide-based than 2009, I think. Flipping issues and only 3 balls at a time being factors.
<JoeDG> If for no other reason than 3 on the bridge, I think you have to go widebody
<BrendanB> my long probably has a bigger pickup than a wide
<SuperNerd256> If you do it right, it won't flip over
<Guest 26> narrow base or wide base! just shrink the entire frame!
<GCentola1126> with an intake on the wide side, it would seem easier to acquire balls
<Guest 11> Blow your mind and go SQUARE base
<schreiaj> I got around that with some interesting tricks
<jsneer> if i had a choice, i'd use soldiworks, but the school has inventor so...
<Meredith16> you don't have to go wide if you can go sideways
<JoeDG> Even so, its easier to aim
<thefro526> ^^^
<schreiaj> you got crab Meredith?
<GCentola1126> so bomb squad is doing swerve again?
<BrendanB> Wide still won't get in a corner with the bumper rules
<Guest 28> very
<Guest 28> very evry
<Guest 11> hahaha
<lawrence1503> There's a solution for corners
<Meredith16> just an observation. I can't say!!!
<schreiaj> aww you're no fun
<Guest 11> We have an angled front on the treads, but even with that we should be fine.
<JoeDG> We don't have a problem with a wide 8WD with 4" wheels, and our bridge tipper can double as a wheelie bar on the offchance that we tip
<Meredith16> Ha. Austin is lurking here keeping me in line.
<ajones16> haha
<GCentola1126> so...barrier or bridge then? It would seem beneficial to be able to do both but some people swear that they only need the bridge
<lawrence1503> ahahaha
<Guest 11> That was hilarious
<XaulZan11> 16 without the 3 wheel crab wouldn't be any fun
<jsneer> clairification, 18.5" if we were to go over the barrier but we decided not to anyways
<JoeDG> I think you need both. Bump for speed of crossing field, bridge for bridge points
<Baselthe2nd> 27 righting themselves using their arm in 2010 was pretty epic
<Meredith16> we were kind of happy with 3 plus 1 last year
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<SuperNerd256> I liked 16's robot last year, however I wanna see how they do a 3 wheeler going over the bump/bridge.
<jwfoss> meredith, what wheels did you end up going with?
<schreiaj> Meredith have you been in talks with Iowa's resident lunatic?
<Guest 11> That's a good deal
<schreiaj> (aren)
<BrendanB> we have comp carpet
<Meredith16> 3 wheels went over the 2010 bump just fine. You know I can't tell you what wheels we are using. (I actually do know...in case you were doubting)
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<Meredith16> Aren has gone to ground - full competition mode I think
<SuperNerd256> But the 2010 bumper wasn't the same as this year's ones
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<Guest 12> Calibrating those sensors was very simple
<schreiaj> Lemme just say Aren is SPECIAL this year
<SuperNerd256> bump, not bumper
<schreiaj> I'm hoping he's trolling us
<Meredith16> Aren is bringing a rookie team to midwest and I am bringing 4...
<XaulZan11> We know Aren isn't going to have a turret this year...I think because all the 22 motors will be used in the drivetrain
<schreiaj> I also really wanna know how Nick is gonna drop a square this year
<Guest 28> weight I think
<Guest 11> I think a lot of people disagree...
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<Guest 11> I know the entirety of our veteran members hate the new manual
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<Baselthe2nd> I preferred the old, longer manual too. It was more clear.
<JoeDG> I think people just need to get used to the simpler manual, and using common sense rather than having everything spelled out
<GCentola1126> SIMON!
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<lawrence1503> Cmon Andrew :P
<JoeDG> If you weren't expecting a long definitions list, you wouldn't need one
<schreiaj> I think that spelling out everything is good
<karthik> Who's version of common sense are you we using?
<SuperNerd256> 550's aren't as bad as 775s
<karthik> *whose
<schreiaj> it is a CYA thing for the refs/inspectors
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<Baselthe2nd> It took me a good 5 minutes of looking to realise there isn't a definitions list
<jwfoss> 550s have been solid
<schreiaj> control f bro
<Baselthe2nd> Split up manual, old laptop with Vista
<schreiaj> sounds like a personal problem
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<apalrd> we like 550s and P60's, and trust 775's if they are isolated
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<Baselthe2nd> You're right on that one
<apalrd> 550 = ~250w, 775 = ~270w
<SuperNerd256> haha
<SuperNerd256> Please take video of that!
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<schreiaj> The reason it probably won't happen is because the 775 is a metal can and packing that with explosives is terribly dangerous
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<SuperNerd256> Is it as dangerous as using the motor on your bot?
<IanCurtis> Pipe Bomb v. Electrical Failure. Yes.
<schreiaj> ^
<lawrence1503> ^^^^
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<Guest 32> It cost us $120 for 10 balls
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<schreiaj> ouch
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<SuperNerd256> Common Sense: Not that common
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<lawrence1503> $180 for pool noodles ones
<Guest 32> Yay international shipping
<lawrence1503> once*
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<Cormier> yo yo.
<GCentola1126> Alex is here
<SuperNerd256> Hey Alex!
<JoeDG> I could swear I saw that somewhere
<SuperNerd256> Done making towels?
<Cormier> JUST finished 50 RoboTowels for BOMB SQUAD
<Guest 36> BUT OH WAIT This year's rules are terribly thin..
<Baselthe2nd> I thought Q&A is more or less the Supreme Court of FIRST
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<schreiaj> BOOM
<Guest 31> doesn't the GDC answer the Q&A questions?
<Guest 32> We now get parents to bring back parts from us from the US
<stevend223> i view it as the supreme court-when it works
<Cormier> I <3 duct tape
<Guest 36> duct tape holds the world together
<Guest 32> We've saved about $1000 on international Shipping
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<BrendanB> Thankfully teams haven't gone crazy with it the past two years
<karthik> Q. Please clarify whether the responses published in the FRC Q&A Forum are formal/official interpretations of the published rules or simply opinions.
<BrendanB> what is derp?
<Guest 12> Duct tape makes a crowd applaud and an arm look less broken.
<Baselthe2nd> Hahahaha
<karthik> A. Hello team: Thank you for writing. The responses published in our FRC Q&A Forum are official interpretations of the published rules. Thank you, FRC
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<ahill1625> its already been asked
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<Guest 36> Q&Aception
<lawrence1503> hhahaha
<SuperNerd256> haha
<Guest 34> there are times that new content is presented in a blue box
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<Cormier> i called in.
<stevend223> we use flame patterned duct tape for decoration
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<Cormier> i have mute on my phone, so that should work out right?
<schreiaj> yeah
<stevend223> administration or tournament
<stevend223> in regards to challenges
<Guest 36> Speaking of rules, time to study for my coach test...
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<JoeDG> I think we all do
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<apalrd> not the same, the motor on the window motor is different if you've ever taken it apart
<JoeDG> We've got AN 9015's hooked up through the kit FP gearboxes for a linkage system, no heavy testing done yet
<JoeDG> *AM
<stevend223> andyglobe is nice and slow
<BrendanB> we are using an andyglobe for our bridge take down/ball collector
<stevend223> we may be turreting with the andyglobe
<JoeDG> Said who this isn't an arm game?
<GCentola1126> the 14 inch extension rule
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<stevend223> psh, our arm last year could spit tubes a good 2-3+ inches
<Guest 34> we had terrible bearings - one was nearly frozen when we did that
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<Guest 36> luullzz
<JoeDG> Our system fits. It's a little odd...basically the entire upper robot pivots ~60 degrees, giving us variable angle shooting, line drive passes, etc.
<SuperNerd256> Challenge Accepted.
<JoeDG> plus bridge control, al in one system
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<Meredith16> Hey Aren! We were just "talking" about you...:)
<Cormier> JoeDG that sounds like what 462 did in 2006.
<Cormier> *461
<smitsmcgee> according to q&a, we can use 4 window motors
<stevend223> we were shooting REALLY far with 2 cim-sim fp's
<smitsmcgee> not sure how clear that was before
<schreiaj> link?
<lawrence1503> wha?
<lawrence1503> really?
<smitsmcgee> hold on
<schreiaj> WAT!
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<JoeDG> it looks a lot like 488's 2006 robot. But pivots around the lower intake roller
<SuperNerd256> 60" exactly
<Cormier> 20,000 cubic inches of volume.
<Guest 15> 30/22
<Guest 26> small small small!
<JoeDG> widebody max size
<SuperNerd256> Something around 28x38
<BrendanB> 27 37
<BrendanB> long
<Guest 32> 32x28
<jwfoss> 26"x34"
<GCentola1126> 148 a la 2008?
<SuperNerd256> Somewhat
<ahill1625> hi meredith
<stevend223> 27-28x31-32 or something like that
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<stevend223> it would have to be 8x8 inches
<JoeDG> If someone can tip the bridge, rookies can help balance, and with the coopertition, there are 5 other robots out there to have a bridge control system
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<ayeckley> Nick you must be using mecanums then
<Guest 31> I'd rather be a rookie because of a smart concept, than a rookie that doesn't even get picked for not being able to do one thing properly
<Guest 31> rookie that wins*
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<JoeDG> A Bomb is going to be HUGE in autonomous
<IanCurtis> someone did it at UTC didn't they?
<schreiaj> If Nick was using mecanums I'd be on my way to Canada to bludgeon some sense into him
<jwfoss> 195 and 968
<jwfoss> yessir
<Cormier> correct. it was planned way before. it was right on the line of the offeense defesne
<jwfoss> newton and the big show
<BrendanB> http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47012&highlight=pic.+968+195
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<lawrence1503> twitches over mechanums
<GCentola1126> and thet did it against us
<thefro526> http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/24701
<GCentola1126> but it was an awesome move
<Guest 28> if you can program a reliable a-bomb in hybrid or auto then you should just program your robot to shoot into the goals
<JoeDG> I think that's almost just to make the game more spectator friendly
<GCentola1126> its doable
<JacobP79> From 30 feet I can hit the backboard, sometimes
<BrendanB> i can see a few bounce into the low/mid goal
<Guest 26> its very doable! we have a few kids who have been doing it easily... 1 every 5 throws
<Baselthe2nd> I mean, you really need a lot of velocity on the ball. It's got quite a bit of air resistance.
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<ahill1625> i can easily whip full field
<Guest 36> If you can make it from half-court actual basketball, you can do it here
<Guest 26> provided you get 5 balls at the end of the match
<ahill1625> making it though, yeah.....
<Guest 41> make sure you're human player is a baseball player :P
<XaulZan11> throwing the ball full court isnt the challenge...its actually making it into the basket
<IanCurtis> An orbit ball is definitely draggier than a basketball
<IanCurtis> get some nasty flow going on with all those gaps
<JoeDG> On that topic. Do you guys have tips on convincing a team that's historically done it wrong, that they NEED a consistent drive team?
<JoeDG> like, same people match to match
<SuperNerd256> ^This
<stevend223> its common sense lol
<Cormier> ya know, im goign to get yelled at when the misses comes hoem from FTA training. i was suspsoed to do the dishes.
<GCentola1126> any advice for someone who was a first-year coach last year and is looking to try out and coach again ti
<Meredith16> Alex, if I can cook dinner during the cast, you can wash the dishes..
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<SuperNerd256> haha
<Cormier> me + water + iphone = no good.
<Cormier> last time i was in charge of the dishes i cut open my toes on a fork.
<Guest 36> I'd like to know if any other teams have student coaches
<Meredith16> oh, yeah, nevermind. get a big dog. they clean up the plates just great.
<ayeckley> Wow you were really doing it wrong Alex
<SuperNerd256> Why can't my mentors be listening to this? It's great!
<GCentola1126> 1126 does
<Cormier> we got a cat, but shes playing in the tub.
<Guest 12> Student coaches? As in the coach on the field with the drivers?
<GCentola1126> ^yes
<stevend223> ive seen some teams have it and have it work
<Guest 12> We had a student coach last year (1985)
<stevend223> its a person-to-person basis, but also sometimes you need a mentor/teacher-coah as a liability issue with the school
<Meredith16> she's cleaning the tub?
<stevend223> *coach
<Guest 12> He was the Dean's List Award winner
<Cormier> nothing wrong with student coaches. i realy believe in actually keeping a solid drive team from year to year. start all memebrs as a freshman that
<Cormier> work well and understand each other. they will be amazing the 3rd and 4th year/
<stevend223> i think having your drivers be different grades is a good idea, that way you'll never have someone out there who it's their first time in competition
<thefro526> One of the best coaches I've ever met was a student coach
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<GCentola1126> I had a great time with my Drive Team last year
<Guest 12> We had a Freshman arm driver, Sophomore human player, Junior coach and Senior drive train driver last year.
<schreiaj> my FTC team uses student coaches. They keep trying to drag me out there but I keep coming up with convenient excuses. They do better when I'm not ther
<Cormier> well see if you make it back there this year centola.
<Cormier>
<GCentola1126> cormier, im hoping to
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<Meredith16> most FTC teams use student coaches. Not us...
<Guest 26> yes, drive team chemistry is the most important part! and not just with each other, but how they can get along with other teams on your alliances
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<Guest 26> you could have a great driver who doesn't listen to the other alliances and can become very hard to work with, which sadly, happens a lot!
<lawrence1503> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
<Cormier> what ya making for dinner meredith? and btw i am getting bags in the mail tomorrow to ship the towels in. so they will go out Tuesday.
<lawrence1503> I can't stand drivers who don't listen to anybody
<schreiaj> Depending on the match I might go out there if they have a rough strategy that match
<GCentola1126> Last year, I know my drivers listened because they did the stuff I told them too even when I messed up
<GCentola1126> ...like deployin gthe minibot on the wrong tower
<GCentola1126>
<lawrence1503> lmfao!
<Guest 41> Nick, can you name examples of some really good drive teams?
<lawrence1503> 1114 did that at Midwest in 08
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<lawrence1503> G41, any of 1114's drive teams
<Guest 36> Wait, I have a question: shouldn't the coach be doing most of the talking?
<Guest 36> Not between driver/operator?
<lawrence1503> Yes G36
<Meredith16> Alex, I saw the towels. They look great! Not really "cooking" tonight - cuties, avocados, salad, cheese toast...
<Baselthe2nd> I have trouble giving up control to a coach. I've driven once and realised it simply would not work competitively.
<Guest 26> the coach can start to become another person between the main robot functions, which are between the driver/codriver
<Guest 36> So what should the ideal coach do?
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<Guest 26> coach is big picture, driver/co-driver are detail within your robot
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<Cormier> i need to write down some excuses i can say when she gets home. have any?
<Guest 45> i am kinda late...
<Meredith16> Ha. None.
<schreiaj> 45, that's cool. We record em for a reason
<Guest 36> So coach should only say things like "get that tube and hang it on this peg"?
<Guest 36> or is that still too specific?
<GCentola1126> Thats how we were for FLR
<Guest 45> yep, will listen in later in the week
<Meredith16> Our coach, Brandon, is so likeable (makes up for cranky drivers, huh, Austin?) that he can pretty much take over an entire alliance & they don't notic
<ahill1625> hotrod? lol
<ajones16> Haha yes, exactly..
<Guest 26> As my team's coach, the two drivers work with getting specific things like ball to ball collection and shooting placement,
<Guest 26> but the coach looks at where the defense is, where to go after those collecting and shooting steps in a match
<Cormier> ya know what grind my gears?
<schreiaj> bad shifting?
<Cormier> how many teams that have a clueless coach, even worse when its an adult. when all they do is just sit there for a better view. dont say a word or anyt
<Guest 40> you cant find the droids youre looking for?
<Guest 26> @Cormier, I agree completely! it can become frustrating in matches when that happens
<lawrence1503> Hey Cormier, that sounds familiar
<MarcS> Thats when you(as a coach) takes over the whole alliance.
<Guest 45> when they are made of plastic?
<schreiaj> In the case of FTC, if my students are following the strategy we outlined and it is working I am quiet when I'm there
<Cormier> even worse when the clueless "coach" causes a penalty for leaving or walking around or being on a cell phone.
<GCentola1126> what if your team has a student coach policy and an incumbent coach?
<Guest 41> what are some examples of really good drive coaches?
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<JoeDG> How do I convince a stubborn team that they shouldn't switch out drivers match to match?
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<schreiaj> That's more a team issue
<thefro526> Will address those questions in a few minutes
<Cormier> ya dont pick them in eliminations...
<SuperNerd256> QUESTION: How do you convince your mentors to have only one set of drivers (and a set of backups) for the competition, not to have everyone drive.
<XaulZan11> How do you practice? Just run the bot for 10 straight minutes scoring tubes or shooting balls or run 2 minute 'matches'?
<stevend223> just tell them that its crazy that a single driver shouldnt be getting as much experience as possible
<thefro526> especially Joe's
<schreiaj> it has to do with your team culture and changing that is...hard
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<lawrence1503> G36, that's pretty good
<Guest 26> @SuperNerd256, tell them you want to be consistent and win more often
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<Guest 36> I see. Thanks
<GCentola1126> what's it like on einstein with copioli?
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<Guest 36> This is extremely helpful for me, as I plan to try out for coach
<SuperNerd256> *Guest 26, I've done that
<Guest 29> Nick, does your 700 hours practice include time between Champs and IRI? If so, how many hours did you put in up to champs?
<GCentola1126> Our team does student, but I don't have a problem with either argument
<lawrence1503> G29, Champs
<lawrence1503> just shy of 700
<GCentola1126> they are loud
<Guest 26> i don't have a problem with either, as long as both sides (student/mentor) knows their place
<Baselthe2nd> Zondag
<Cormier> how many of the 700 on the practice bot vs the real bot?
<MarcS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBF-V-uZSsE&feature=BFa&list=FLt_s7H_I3wKD8q_a0DOqXtA&lf=mh_lolz
<lawrence1503> Practice robot
<lawrence1503> couple hours with the comp bot
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<Guest 47> tyler from 2056
<Guest 29> thats an average of 10 hours a day!
<lawrence1503> but they were so close
<schreiaj> Ken Patton
<lawrence1503> GCentola, Einstein with Paul was cool man
<Guest 29> dont you go to school?
<lawrence1503> weekends dude
<lawrence1503> march break
<lawrence1503> etc
<Guest 29> lol, still there's only 24 hours in a day
<Cormier> Patton is the MAN!
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<Guest 48> AGREED
<Guest 26> very true!
<Cormier> What do teams use to convey strategy to teams? any props or such?
<Cormier>
<Guest 26> you only need a main drive team and a backup team!
<thefro526> Alex you'll be up soon
<schreiaj> Alex, we;re getting to it
<Cormier> what? just asking.
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<Cormier> haha
<GCentola1126> TPD clipboards
<SuperNerd256> Mr. Cormier, I think 256'll be ordering some of your strategy clipboards soon.
<Cormier> well ya better order soon from AM if you want them soon. Last i heard they have 2 left in stock.
<Guest 26> our practice times are that the main drive team practices with the primary robot, and the backup team works with a practice/generic bot
<SuperNerd256> !!
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<Cormier> They will be sending me another purchase oreder for them soon. probably monday.
<SuperNerd256> sigh_of_releif
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<Cormier> Have you ever made another team use one of your drivers for elims?
<GCentola1126> we had 2 HPs last year, and they switched on and off.
<GCentola1126> one was better at distance throwing than the other, and one was a good analyst
<SuperNerd256> What's everyone's rules on human players? Especially for games like this one.
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<GCentola1126> 1503 floor loading is still wizardry...
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<Guest 18> shaun!
<Guest 41> SHAUN!!!
<smitsmcgee> haha being on einstein generally makes people feel pretty small, in my experience
<Cormier> YES
<lawrence1503> yup
<lawrence1503> Look up, 35,000 people
<Cormier> also, how fast do they get to the sticks
<lawrence1503> "geez"
<smitsmcgee> yeah
<smitsmcgee> also, the shock factor of playing the elite teams together, when youre used to only going local... crazy.
<lawrence1503> yeah dude
<ajones16> I hated that..
<GCentola1126> I did that once...not proud of it....
<smitsmcgee> the "poison" list
<SuperNerd256> Once both teams on our alliance deployed onto the wrong poles we agreed on, and we both ended up getting 1st and 2nd!
<GCentola1126> I usually try to avoid portraying myself and our team as "that team" than people blacklist.
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<ayeckley> Had the exact thing happen to us at CMP in 2010. No show - were on the practice field instead of a qual match
<lawrence1503> eek
<JoeDG> Do you keep these blacklists year to year? Because the leadership and character of teams can change
<Cormier> ya know how hard it is to get a slot on the practice field!
<lawrence1503> We'll revise it if they make a better impression
<ayeckley> Rookies, so explained how important it was to show up on the field.
<lawrence1503> ok
<lawrence1503> acceptable then
<schreiaj> I've got teams blacklisted barring major leadership changes as I disagree with how they do things
<MarcS> Coaches should talk to each other, not each others drivers.
<smitsmcgee> its buyant.
<smitsmcgee> buoyant*
<GCentola1126> but its random, you cant elect to be the satellite team
<XaulZan11> Do you blacklist teams because you don't agree with their policy or ethics. Or do you blacklist teams that have a direct impact on the field?
<XaulZan11> IE: they don't listen or follow the match strategy
<lawrence1503> Both.
<Guest 28> both for us
<schreiaj> 2010: Our HP didn't speak english very well
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<Guest 36> I think that's what all the teams are saying
<Guest 44> Nobody's gonna be making full court shots
<Guest 36> that too
<Cormier> im fine.
<schreiaj> Alex, you're up!
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<Cormier> nice and warm in the bed
<Guest 36> there may be like two or three full court shots by luck
<stevend223> "can i rely on you to not make stupid mistakes"
<Guest 36> per competition
<Guest 36> but no more
<Guest 48> link to product?
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<thefro526> http://www.andymark.com/product-p/am-2079.htm
<Guest 44> http://www.andymark.com/product-p/am-2078.htm
<ayeckley> What's the origin of the "two pencil" name?
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<Cormier> liz and i, therefore two
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<Guest 35> Any idea when more color clipboards will be in stock?
<ayeckley> You and Liz going to be at Pittsburgh this year?
<Cormier> most likely not.
<lawrence1503> Doesn't it conflict with FLR or something?
<Guest 35> So, never?
<Meredith16> The blue Bomb Squad shop towels look awesome!!!
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<Cormier> g35, never?
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<Guest 35> Oh, I was asking about the clipboards haha
<MarcS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gllVDaktqGA
<Guest 41> I LOVE YOU NICK LAWRENCE!!!
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<Cormier> AM will be sending me a PO soon, so they will be in stock soonish.
<Guest 38> best driver in FIRST!
<Guest 35> Sweeeeeet
<lawrence1503> shucks
<Guest 35> Thanks Cromier
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<Cormier> no problem.
<Guest 48> SIMON LETS HURRY UP!!
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<Guest 48> RUNNING DRIVE TRAIN
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<Cormier> THANKS GUYS, im going to go clean now. When will a edited version be up online?
<ayeckley> We're still waiting on gearboxes from both "usual" suppliers.
<lawrence1503> Make your own!
<lawrence1503> FP gears
<schreiaj> Alex, we don't edit casts done live
<ayeckley> Lead time on fine pitch gears is too long.
<Cormier> oh okies. have fun and i'll try to get on next week too.
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<stevend223> because of the superbowl we're hoping to have pretty much the entire practice bot built by thursday D:
<lawrence1503> lol
<stevend223> our head mentor/teacher is going, so we may be in trouble
<schreiaj> oh next weekend is the super bowl?
<schreiaj> this explains the sales at the grocery store
<ayeckley> Lot longer than 6 days. That's just order-to-ship time.
<JoeDG> I'd love to see that
<Guest 44> Couldn't pay the publisher because the runs were to small
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<Cormier> bahhh, i can do them tomorrow.
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<JoeDG> yeah, I'm not sure awards is the best way to do it
<schreiaj> What would you suggest?
<Cormier> whats this all about?
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<schreiaj> We are discussing publishing an iBook sort of an EWCPcast reviews the year
<Cormier> that sounds awesoem.
<Cormier> im really sad that they dont make those first design books anymore. that was amazing.
<schreiaj> We agree
<Guest 44> It would be good to recruit team at champs
<schreiaj> so when the iBook stuff came out I started talking to Jack and Rich and Dustin about it
<Guest 32> Something similar to the Simbot SS Poster?
<Cormier> does it cost money to do it?
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<GCentola1126> We got the Qulity Award atr Buckeye last year
<schreiaj> Not really 32, more like a multimedia and book
<GCentola1126> *we got the quality award at Buckeye last year
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<Guest 32> The poster would act as a submission
<schreiaj> think videos of prototypes, pictures, 3d cad models, printed materials
<GCentola1126> and the Judges Award at FLR
<Guest 32> you can then decide whether or not to publish/edit
<Cormier> how much does it cost to do it?
<schreiaj> time
<Cormier> nice.
<Guest 29> Just let anyone apply and you guys be the judge of the top X number of teams you want to put the effort in to include
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<Cormier> i wanna helps.
<Guest 29> i wouldnt expect more that 30-50 teams to apply
<Guest 61> So late
<Guest 29> shouldnt take that long
<Guest 61> how did it go/
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<Cormier> hahahaha looking forward.
<Guest 61> robro
<schreiaj> robrocast
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<schreiaj> Gosh I still love that name
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<Guest 61> Change cast to not offend women
<Guest 61> still no women in chat anyway...
<Guest 47> i listend to it on the bus through the night to st louis
<Meredith16> Ummm...really?
<Guest 61> I know, as guests
<Guest 61> maria
<lawrence1503> Hey Meredith, how ya doing?
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<Meredith16> I've been a guest.
<Guest 61> they arent prominent
<Meredith16> Hi Nick!!!
<schreiaj> That's not our fault
<Guest 48> hahah
<Meredith16> Well, I feel pretty prominent
<Guest 61> nbd
<lawrence1503> Meredith is pretty boss!
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<Cormier> I <3 meredith.
<Guest 61> who is really programming for it?
<Cormier> she gave me a team 16 shirt.
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<Cormier> it keeps one of my legs warm.
<Guest 26> just as a failsafe...
<Cormier> paper weight?
<Cormier> door stop?
<Guest 61> It would be cool if there was some sort of terrain game
<chrisisme> We're halfway to another 100 pound robot. :P
<Guest 61> that would make it useful on-bot
<chrisisme> According to Jack at least...
<Guest 26> its basically just an e-stop just in case another robot might interfere.
<Guest 61> 0_0
<Guest 61> why not have some manual switch
<lawrence1503> roll the dice
<Guest 61> that directs it to the ds
<Guest 28> it's not up in the air
<Guest 28> it uses a USB extension cable
<Guest 28> that can reach all 3 stations
<Guest 28> it's 1 cable that moves around
<Guest 28> no switch
<Guest 61> but that didnt require a computer and camera...
<Guest 61> w/e
<Guest 28> I talked with someone at the manch kickoff about it
<Cormier> manchvegas
<Guest 61> if it's one large usb cord ftas drag around the field, that will be poor
<Guest 61> not keen on it, but we're not using it anyway so
<Guest 47> <9000
<Guest 61> it's digital... why is there a max?
<Guest 28> the cable has active hubs in it
<Guest 61> chickens
<Cormier> MM
<Guest 28> I had that question too
<Guest 61> 9000 bunnies
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<Cormier> hi
<Guest 47> monoprice has active extensions that boost the digital signal
<Guest 26> Hi! Still here!
<Guest 61> mmmm...
<Guest 28> the cable at kickoff looked a lot like one of the monoprice ones
<MarcS> Just step outside during IRI.
<Guest 28> this one I think: http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=103&cp_id=10303&cs_id=1030312&p_id=7533&seq=1&format=2
<Guest 61> stock AM parts?
<schreiaj> Yeah, repeaters exist
<schreiaj> I have a couple in my lab doing HDMI repeating
<Cormier> maybe AM should sponsor a team to do that.
<Meredith16> We've built plenty of Thursday robots
<Guest 61> the balancer.
<Guest 61> or a feeder
<Guest 47> @28 yes
<Cormier> doesnt PINK do that?
<chrisisme> We built wide because we didn't want to rule out something as important as three on the bridge by design. Wide robots don't ALWAYS tip...
<schreiaj> not using COTS
<Guest 61> you can't go to SVR or MSC with a box of COTS and expect to win.
<lawrence1503> 968/254 used to assemble their robots at events?
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<Guest 61> can you?
<lawrence1503> but major subsystems were assembled
<Guest 44> You could get 20 people who were attending a regional and pay 250 each
<schreiaj> $5k is a lot of money
<Guest 44> Yeah IRI is actually waaay smarter
<Guest 47> teams prolly have kit chassis lying around
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<Guest 44> Rex-roth would work instead of wood
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<schreiaj> 44, wood is great for the design we're talking
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<Guest 44> We're actually going to assemble our robot out of rex-roth in 1-2 days. Although there will be a lot more mahcining than is possible at a regional
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<Meredith16> I have a clueless rookie team coming this weekend to build a robot. What would you all recommend we do with them?
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<Guest 44> The best easy strategy could be really short and ramp lowering
<Meredith16> We have built a kitbot on steroids with some modifications and skids to cross the bump as a model.
<Guest 61> Give them your robot and don't speak of it again?
<Meredith16> Ha.
<schreiaj> hmm 61?
<Guest 44> hahaha
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<Meredith16> no.
<lawrence1503> ^
<Guest 61> Realistically, I guess you can just kbos their idea and go from there
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<Guest 44> Feed and balance
<schreiaj> you need to clarify what you are saying since I'm not following you
<Guest 61> You could line up some old kitwheels and create a feeder method for them
<Meredith16> we have a sample beater bar and wheel shooter as well
<Guest 61> They could sit in the lane, and have some kind of hopper that would funnel balls into a feeder/shooter
<ahill1625> you're just gonna keep bringing that up aren't you?
<Guest 61> i mean alley
<lawrence1503> lol aren
<schreiaj> hey I'm mad about it STILL
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<schreiaj> Aren, we need to make Einstein together this year
<ahill1625> i'll take captain
<lawrence1503> man, how intimidating would it be
<Guest 61> team 51 had a woodiebot at chesapeake
<lawrence1503> to have all of EWCP near the field
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<lawrence1503> in EWCP shirts
<lawrence1503> on Einstein
<Guest 44> If you're going to feed you should be able to do rebounds. Because good teams WILL be able to bounc across the bump
<Guest 61> 3-7 weekdays, 3-9 fridays, 9-6 saturdays, sundays conditional
<Guest 61> awk
<Cormier> nahh
<Cormier> more like a bunch of weirdos.
<Guest 61> wish I had video or pictures from chesapeake so I could remember... alas
<ahill1625> pssh
<MarcS> FIRST IS VERY FAIR! Every team has an equal opportunity work as hard as they want.
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<schreiaj> marc, call in and say that
<schreiaj> plz
<Guest 48> team 639 had their 2011 robot fully functional for one person for the off season
<Guest 26> we've always used an xbox controller and every year, we have a back-up setting for a 1-person driver!
<Guest 48> HAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHHH
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<Cormier> meow meow meow
<Guest 61> didnt the arm break on 816, or am I misrmembering again?
<Cormier> finger lakes?
<Cormier> 08?
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<Guest 61> the loudest and the most available
<Guest 61> <3
<thefro526> 816's arm broke about 4 times in NJ
<Cormier> tard
<thefro526> And I believe once or twice in Philly
<thefro526> Honestly I don't remember anymore
<Cormier> andrew, ya still wanted those etched items?
<schreiaj> we;lll talk not in public this week
<Guest 61> It's good to block out how many times your robot breaks
<Cormier> i just got a much bigger and better blast cabinet. im happy.
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<Cormier> where is the week 3 90% done team 118 video? i miss it!!
<Guest 61> They already finished it
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<Guest 61> but theyre too busy rototyping for the 2013 game
<Guest 61> I need my backlit keyboard again
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<Guest 63> of course
<Guest 44> It's kind of like the hints
<MarcS> Just give us a cad file.:p
<Guest 44> haha, sounds decisive
<schreiaj> you show me yours i'll show you mine
<lawrence1503> awks^
<schreiaj> lol
<lawrence1503> hahahaha
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<JoeDG> I honestly think that's how many elite level autonomous modes are going to go
<JoeDG> partners feed the best shooter
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<Guest 44> I could see the third pick sitting behind the good shooter, and reversing its intake to push the balls into good shooter
<Meredith16> good night, guys!
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<schreiaj> nite meredith
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<thefro526> Night everyone
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