Tune in tonight as EWCPCast presents 2013 Ultimate Ascent - Championship Preview.
The team from EWCP will discuss each of the divisions competing next week in St. Louis. Get insights from the folks that have competed with teams that are going to be at Championship.
Cast starts at** 9PM Eastern time** and will be hosted on Talkshoe. Follow the link below to listen and be a part of the cast chat.
http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.jsp?masterId=98466&cmd=tc
Will do!
I’ve been missing my EWCP fix.
Should I be concerned that the TalkShoe page says NOTHING SCHEDULED?
I’ll be listening in. Though hearing about what might happen may just make the next two and a half school days harder to sit through.
Nah, most of the time that’s a function of just not scheduling it in advance on the website.
Tonight was fun, thanks to everyone who listened, there were a ton of people!
Here’s the chat log for anyone that wants it:
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<mrroboto2826> 2826 liked 2009 a little...
<BrendanB> new control system... bad game
<chrisisme> i liked winning with 2826 in 2009
<BrianSmist> I had a good time in 2009
<Guest 38> I think this year is one of the first years that teams overestimated the difficulty of scoring
<rsisk101> sisk is 2493
<connorworley1538> our experiences with DSCs from 2009 has been very bad
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<Guest 41> Hi drost!
<BrianSmist> and 4124
<chrisisme> our experiences with DSCs from any year has been very bad
<connorworley1538> ^
<SabreBytes772> Sisk I wanna meet you at champs
<chrisisme> they have cost us multiple regionals in one way or another
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<connorworley1538> lost semi 2-2 and 2-3 at SD due to back to back sidecar failures
<wing1002> I've burned 2 DSC's
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<thefro526> gotta love that DSC failure.
<Payne_TW> Logging in for the first time in a year was an adventure
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<lexanator5> but it can beat most teams if it is good
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<connorworley1538> 4-2 and 4-3*
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<lexanator5> 2481 is great
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<wing1002> there's the hybrid ground feeder too
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<wing1002> teams like 1986 that prefer to cycle but pickup during auto
<Guest 39> 2056&67
<Guest 47> 1986's pickup is designed specifically for auto, so they understandably don't use it much in teleop
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<Payne_TW> Alliances still have total disc point ceilings from behind the wall
<connorworley1538> ground pickup with auto should clear quals the easiest
<Guest 41> 7 disc auto will win einstien
<Payne_TW> and FCSes that aren't great at 3s but do 2s are really disadvantaged
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<joeyeah> anyone that can get more than 3 discs in auto will seed higher because auto is so important in ranking
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<Guest 39> especially with fewer matches
<Alpha1986> True, it is designed for auto... But the driver put in some amazing practice sessions with it this week.
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<Baselthe2nd> No one who can only do one thing is going to make Einstein. Even as a 3rd 'bot.
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<wing1002> Drivetrain
<wing1002> and driver
<Guest 41> 6 CIMs
<Guest 47> minibot
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<Baselthe2nd> (specifically pure FCS or pure cycler)
<Woolly> I wouldn't be surprised if Titanium added a powered roller to their collector too.
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<thadFRC4488> The middle seeds are going to be so random at championships this year
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<Payne_TW> pure cyclers will "cover the difference" of the other 2 robots.
<Guest 54> I dont think a pure cycler will win champs, unless as a 3rd pick, they need to be more versatile
<connorworley1538> FCS robots still have big targets on their backs during quals... they need a support robot to be effective
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<Guest 41> multiple teams have gotten 7
<lexanator5> 868 almost did 7
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<wing1002> @54, 610 and 11 and 245 and vqarious others will surprise
<phantom_1986> Surprises are fun woolly
<Guest 43> Will we see a backup called on Einstein just to change the game?
<thadFRC4488> Shooting Pyramid from the floor could be good too with cyclers
<Woolly> That they are
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<samuelgmills11> ok actual account now
<SabreBytes772> is it legal to call a back up if you don't techincally need it??
<wing1002> 2169
<thadFRC4488> 67
<KevinShi469> 67
<Guest 38> I think calling a backup just to change strategy isn't very GP
<Guest 43> Well its legal to call it in for damaged robot
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<samuelgmills11> wether or not you needit is up to you
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<connorworley1538> ideal last pick: autonomous, very good driving, climber
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<Payne_TW> Full-court shooters are magnets
<Guest 39> is a random choice for backup robot from your divisional finalist, right?
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<thefro526> Full court shooter being a magnet is why they're awesome.
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<Guest 43> Well if you need a blocker on Einstien i think id risk the divisional finalist
<thefro526> you know where the d-bot is headed.
<Guest 55> To all defensive teams at the CMP....avenge ussssssssssssssssss
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<Baselthe2nd> yeah, but I think the backup order is determined before you call in the backup
<Guest 22> It is silly to think ANYONE can be a blocker
<SabreBytes772> do you have the choice of which robot to use if you need a back up?
<Guest 43> You dont know what team it will be
<nlknauss> agree
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<Guest 39> predetermined would lend to shenanigans -- i'd think not
<SabreBytes772> oh kk
<Guest 43> No you do not have a choice it is randomly selected
<Guest 61> is this call about making money?
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<Payne_TW> Cyclers will play a role when Full-Court shooters can get covered by a team
<Guest 60> But /if/ the full court shooter makes it to the goal, I'd still want to block them somehow.
<Payne_TW> and the cycler goes unnoticed
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<BrendanB> I think the beauty of 2013 is there are so many teams who shoot
<samuelgmills11> Look at michigan and MAR, 24 pick is still a really good cycler
<Guest 40> stop with the "i thinks"- ultimate ascent has been full of surprises
<Lowebrass469> Thanks Ri3D
<Guest 39> 3rd bot has to knock down his auton
<Guest 60> Brenden, so many shooting teams, but so many of them don't stick out
<joeyeah> a FCS and cyclers can empty the station out quick regardless of blocking
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<connorworley1538> surprises? the game has been following the same trends since week 1
<SabreBytes772> there are few good FCS.
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<BrendanB> Depends what regional you attended but at Champs will be full of teams who can shoot 3 in autonomous.
<Guest 40> what? absolutely not
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<Guest 40> with alliance selections? - absolutely not
<Lowebrass469> @772 there's enough of them that they'll be relevant through all of CMP
<BrendanB> This is the first year in a long time where most teams we are allied with can play offense well
<phantom_1986> This is very much a drivers game
<Guest 43> There hasnt been surprises but there are many different positional games that could be played
<samuelgmills11> This is a fun drivers game haha
<Guest 22> If you cant average 2.5 in auto, I'm not sure you will get picked
<wing1002> like last year?
<Lowebrass469> What if 10/10 defense denies a robot 70 points?
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<Tani560> Yea defiantly! Hey 11 I am the driver from 245
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<alecmataloni111> Hey guys.
<Guest 40> 2012- two good shooters- triple balance bot
2007- two good scorers, ramp bot
2008- two shooters, lap.defense bot
this game has had such a variety of
<Guest 40> alliance
<Guest 40> s
<Guest 39> defiantly != definitely !!!
<samuelgmills11> Hey Tani, what division are you in?
<connorworley1538> 8/10 denies 56, a loss of 14 denial points for 18 auto points
<connorworley1538> :P
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<Guest 60> Third pick is going to be a higher seeding 4+ cycler with auton.
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<Tani560> its actually Tanay but Galileo
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<Guest 43> Thats how you decide who to take, do the math
<KevinShi469> ta nay nay!
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<chrisisme> I wouldn't say the third pick will always be a pure cycler
<Guest 19> MSC?
<phantom_1986> Ontario blitzkrieg is an viable strategy this year.
<SabreBytes772> IMO it should be our total match scores that should be the tie breaker. your robot design shouldn't change rankings
<chrisisme> a bit of redundancy
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<Tani560> haha yea kevin is right
<Guest 54> Michigan State Champs
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<joeyeah> i saw 2789 has 3 disc auto and plays REALLY good defense i think they might be picked earlier contrary to popular belief
<sportzkrazzy> center line block? will it exist?
<Guest 38> I love how Ontario blitkrieg is now a strat
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<samuelgmills11> Aw man was hoping to drive with you again. Guess we will see each other on Einstein
<Guest 43> center line block will exist
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<wing1002> rather than a center line block
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<thefro526> Center Line Block does exist.
<wing1002> it'll be a race to the centerline
<Guest 60> What about 45+ point climbers? Where do they stand?
<Guest 72> Greetings
<Guest 54> Center line block will exist heavily
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<Woolly> There's going to be some lower ranked 5-disc auto bots that will be the 3rd bot to 2 floor pickup-less bots.
<BrendanB> Don't tell your drivers they are down...
<Tani560> hshs cant wait!
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<Guest 22> The question about 2789 isn't how early they will get picked, but IF they get picked
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<Stogi> There are teams with center line block autons
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<samuelgmills11> Team 11 haha
<KevinShi469> archimedes <3
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<Guest 68> ^^ agreed about 2789
<BrendanB> ARCHI
<wing1002> 469.
<Guest 38> MEDES
<Guest 65> e bunker
<joeyeah> im pretty sure they will be picked because of how immense there D is
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<Guest 54> I see only 30 pt climbers that are slow will not be picked in elims
<sportzkrazzy> lol done
<joeyeah> it is like nothing ive seen for 2013
<samuelgmills11> 469 is the best team in archimedes
<sportzkrazzy> just the poofs
<alecmataloni111> ^^^^
<Tani560> agreed!
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<AndrewLawrence> They were running manual climbs at SVR
<Guest 65> 46 is the best team no one talks aboot
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<Payne_TW> The bottom 12 robots that make each division eliminations are hard to predict this year
<Guest 54> 469>254
<samuelgmills11> 11
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<connorworley1538> Top 25 teams based on Elo rating:http://pastebin.com/q630jX7K
<KevinShi469> 987
<connorworley1538> 469 > All
<Guest 43> 469 over 254 any day
<SabreBytes772> they're in curie
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<Tani560> 469 is the best
<wing1002> 5469 > all
<gregor_907> http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1265660#post1265660
<Guest 67> any prediction on Newton?
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<SabreBytes772> 469 will be way better at champs too
<Lowebrass469> the climb is way too valuable ._.
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<KevinShi469> 466 is my favorite..
<KrazyCarl92> 987
<gregor_907> archimedes teams based someone on proness
<Guest 54> I think a combination of 469, 254, 987, and 5469 will win archemedes
<gregor_907> somewhat*
<Stogi> I predict Newton might be 1538 + 1986
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<Guest 65> 379 is taking it allllllllllllllllllllllll
<Guest 43> that climb will not be as valuable
<KrazyCarl92> 254>>>>higher point ceiling
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<samuelgmills11> 5469 <3
<connorworley1538> @stogi definitely a really good auton combo
<alecmataloni111> 469
<gregor_907> 469
<joeyeah> yeah because then they can get the 90 pnt auto
<wing1002> 469
<AndrewLawrence> 1538+1986 are going to take Newton.
<Lowebrass469> 1334
<Guest 43> you dont risk a last second climb
<alecmataloni111> or 987
<gregor_907> totally picks 469
<Guest 67> what is third pick for Newton?
<Stogi> 469
<sportzkrazzy> how do you work on it is the better question
<samuelgmills11> 469 any day
<wing1002> sup Stogi
<Stogi> Hey Wing
<thadFRC4488> its between 469 or 987
<samuelgmills11> 469 is the best bot in the division
<Stogi> 469 edges out 987 IMO
<Guest 54> 469 and 67 were the best 2 at MSC
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<Guest 65> Nick Lawrence says hi from the LAX airport terminal, y'all.
<joeyeah> if there was a FCS left that wasnt picked that could be third pick for newton
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<wing1002> 469 is fast
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<samuelgmills11> Hi Nick!
<connorworley1538> 469 is best in the world
<Guest 87> 1310 here
<Stogi> I think Newton could be 1986 + 3476 as well
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<Guest 19> 469 can fcs too
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<Guest 38> Im 1334
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<Payne_TW> 469 makes me cry manly tears of admiration
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<Guest 54> 469 doesnt like to FCS
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<Guest 43> 469 will be on Einstein
<Guest 65> He says you should all text him and spam his facebook right now
<Guest 38> but I'm to lazy to make an account
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<joeyeah> basically 1986 with a pickup will domnate newton, but some FCS alliances may trump out anyway and make up for it, you never know
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<KevinShi469> rawr gorilla :P
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<Guest 65> because he is bored and has like 4 more hours to wait
<alecmataloni111> after 2011, i'm not sure how well 254 and 469 would play together... xD
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<Guest 54> I agree 469 will only lose if 254, 987 team up and 469 gets crap for an alliance partner
<wing1002> I'm predicting 1986 and 1538
<Guest 39> 469 + is can shoot from a lot of positions on the field
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<Stogi> 469 wont get a crap alliance partner
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<Guest 68> i think he meant for quals
<Guest 40> 987>469>254
<Guest 96> have they talked about galileo yet?
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<joeyeah> well 1986 is gonna come to a very important decision, 2 more discs in auto, or a shower of frisbees in teleop
<chrisisme> ACGN is the order
<gregor_907> 254>469>987, sorry
<Guest 19> 254>469>987
<Payne_TW> 40, you for real bud?
<Guest 97> 987 has a scary feeder and auto mode, however, they aren't always on their A game
<Guest 47> Just Archi so far
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<connorworley1538> 469>254>987 is 254 gets their auto solid
<Baselthe2nd> Archimedes has good enough teams that there'll be more than 1 great alliance. 987+469 could lose.
<connorworley1538> if*
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<Guest 67> there is lot of full court on Newton
<Guest 40> 987 had MAJOR comm issues in vegas (not their fault)
<gregor_907> joey, 1986 doesn't pick up off the floor other than auto
<Guest 39> 987 is serious real deal this year -- they do FCS too iric
<gregor_907> so I think the choice is obvious
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<connorworley1538> yes 987 has had FCS since san diego
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<Guest 47> 1986 will sometimes grab a couple discs off the ground at the end of a match
<Guest 54> I think there could be a mediocre team that gets #1 seed, picks 469, 469 denies and doesnt get a good alliance
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<Guest 97> Coming from 987's alliance parter @ Vegas, their robot has a lot of potential and they are certainly able to get to Einstein. They can do cycling
<thefro526> 987 is no Joke.
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<Guest 40> gregor- doesnt mean they cant!- maybe theyre saving it
<Guest 97> And they can also do cycling and FCS
<BrendanB> 987 plays a smart FCS they don't go for it immediately but they do it when you least expect it
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<joeyeah> they were very successful with 1806 however
<SabreBytes772> 469 will be better at champs i bet.
<gregor_907> They have done it before, when they run out of disks
<Guest 43> What will 1114 bring new to champs?
<Guest 98> well if you are playing mantoman, they should always be chased by someone
<Guest 97> They can go and do FCS, and then go and cycle around the defender when they need to
<gregor_907> but they don't normally FCS
<SabreBytes772> nothing new for 1114 i think
<SabreBytes772> no weight
<gregor_907> Guest, 1114 will bring 1 more cycle
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<Stogi> I don't think 1114 will bring something new
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<Guest 97> They dont like going FCS, they think they can do more cycling, but the thing is, they have to be blocked when they go FCS
<SabreBytes772> okay yea probably more ccles
<wing1002> 1114 will be the first pick
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<gregor_907> I can bet they have been spending night after night
<Guest 67> 1114 and 2056 are not together this year will be interesting to see
<Guest 98> basically anyone with a ground pickup
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<Stogi> Archi has great floor loaders
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<SabreBytes772> they aren't usually together at champs
<alecmataloni111> like 1918
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<BrendanB> #ArchimedesClimbers
<wing1002> 1114 and 2056 have only been together in 2009 and 2012
<Guest 54> 1114 will bring and attach a floor pickup
<alecmataloni111> **1918's alliance at MSC
<lexanator5> so who does that 7th 7 disk pick? no 7 disc autons left
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<Guest 98> i'm sure the first three alliances will have dual ground pickup alliance who will fight for those center discs
<Guest 47> 1114 has no weight at all. They can't even powdercoat the rest of their robot
<Guest 109> Dare I ask, which divisions have been talked about?
<Guest 67> 4 years in the roll lol
<Guest 108> what division are they talking about?
<Guest 19> 33's lights are awe inspiring haha
<Guest 43> Guest 54 do you know what 1114 weighs?
<SabreBytes772> 1114 will NOT have a flor pick up. I will bet my team on that.
<Guest 38> I can guarantee you that 1114 is not bringing a floor pickup
<Guest 39> just ARCHI so far
<Stogi> 2590 has slightly inconsistent autons
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<Guest 109> Thanks 39
<Guest 54> I dont think 2 floor pickup specialists can win on einstein.
<Stogi> And that's speaking about them as a fan
<Guest 38> they weigh like 117 lbs
<SabreBytes772> 1114 has no weight or room
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<Guest 63> 1114 will put on the floor pickup on einstein
<Guest 43> Ill bet everything to my name that they wont bring a floor pickup
<Guest 57> 1114 weighed 119.7 lbs at Waterloo, iirc
<wing1002> in archi theres 254, 469, 987, 33, 2590, 2415 as 7 discers
<Guest 39> 1114 point density is astounding
<Payne_TW> 1114 is a top robot without anything added
<Bryan33> 33 cycles. We did it most of the time at MSC.
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<Guest 43> 1114 weighs 120lbs
<Stogi> Wing you're missing a few
<Stogi> 3310
<Guest 67> I like 1114 and 254 climber
<Guest 38> they also don't need one, they can put up 116 points every match
<wing1002> oh shoot
<Guest 97> 1114 doesn't need to do a floor pickup, but since they don't they wont be rank 1 thanks to do multi disk auto
<Guest 43> plus not adding it till einstien will be stupid
<Stogi> 379
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<Baselthe2nd> 2415 does a 7-disc?
<samuelgmills11> scrums are the worst
<Guest 111> 1796 did great in SBPLI
<sportzkrazzy> 801
<Guest 19> einstein winners = 2 hybrid fcs(eg 469)+ strong drivetrain cycler
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<Stogi> According to Sean, 2415 does 7 disc
<Payne_TW> 2415 did 7 discs sometimes in DC, it was confusing
<Guest 97> Has anyone thought of doing 2x FCS?
<wing1002> they did it at DC
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<joeblay694> theirs doesnt seem to work with 7 discers though
<Guest 111> whats FCS?
<chrisisme> full court shooter
<Guest 97> FCS= Full court Shooter/shooting
<Guest 111> oh! Thanks!
<Payne_TW> I hope they can avoid that awful thing that happened i nthe DC finals
<connorworley1538> 2xFCS will have a hard time in auto
<Payne_TW> that was pretty crappy
<Stogi> Funnel Cake Shooters
<wing1002> aye
<Guest 43> 1114 will have a trick you just wait
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<Guest 54> I think 3 60' FCS will win on einstein # sarcasm
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<Woolly> I feel like for 2 FCSs to work well together they both need to be hybrids.
<Lowebrass469> @guest97 the second alliance did at Detroit district.
<samuelgmills11> HI DROST
<KrazyCarl92> scouting the division if 316 falls to round two that alliance should win...
<Guest 97> How did 2x FCS turn out?
<Guest 19> einstein will not have a 2 disc autoer at all.
<Guest 67> you just need a FCS, pick up from floor, and one defend then you will be good to go
<alecmataloni111> 9 disk auto!!!
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<Stogi> Where do people think the top pure cyclers will be? Such as 126, 868, 11, etc
<Guest 38> 1114's trick will be to continue putting up a crazy amount of points
<Guest 111> As long as there isnt a defending bot fro the fcs, they should od fine with only 1
<KevinShi469> In detroit it was 314 and 1701 as FCS
<Guest 54> 254
<Guest 54> 245
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<wing1002> I think 11 will be one of the top picks in archi
<Guest 97> I didn't see detroit, so how did it turn out?
<Payne_TW> are they talking archi or gali?
<wing1002> maybe on the 3 or 4 seed alliance
<Stogi> 245 too
<gregor_907> archi
<Guest 98> non ground pickups in this division have to make a back up to center line auton to stop those extra discs from getting scored
<Baselthe2nd> I just do not like pure cycling as a strategy. You have to be great against defense, which most drivers aren't.
<KevinShi469> @stogi I think they'll be on a very strong 3rd/4th
<samuelgmills11> akash 245 is not on archi
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<KevinShi469> depends on who seeds first
<Guest 111> Team 1796 will be in Archi, and were scared!
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<Payne_TW> 245 is on gali
<Stogi> Sam I'm saying in general
<Payne_TW> D:
<Guest 111> It will be a great comp in archi
<Guest 38> guys 118 is here :P
<Guest 29> If a FCS could also cycle ontop of shooting across the field, they will increase their value to the alliance
<joeblay694> they've done a 5 disc
<Baselthe2nd> How about 3310?
<Guest 98> i would say 11 and 868 are pretty good against strong defense
<Guest 67> like your video 118
<alecmataloni111> 525 does floor?
<Guest 111> 118 has a really great bot. I think half of us wanted to quit when we saw 118's robot
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<KrazyCarl92> 1902?
<Stogi> 525 does floor
<Stogi> 1902 does floor
<Stogi> 3310
<Stogi> 379
<sportzkrazzy> 1902 doesnt do floor
<Guest 97> Which field are they covering?
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<Stogi> I thought they do?
<Baselthe2nd> I haven't seen 11/868 in particular, but cyclers automatically subject themselves to defense, so unless you beat it immediately, you lose a lot of tim
<Payne_TW> 379 is good when they finally get their 7 disc in the groove
<thefro526> Galileo
<sportzkrazzy> they have it but they cycle
<Guest 109> 3310 is smart
<Guest 19> archi
<lexanator5> are we going to talk about anything but auton?
<wing1002> 2415
<BrendanB> 1902 has floor pickup in their robot manual
<Payne_TW> it took them forever at DC for it to work
<samuelgmills11> Defence can get out of town
<Guest 39> anybody has a chance to seed first with thr right schedule!
<KevinShi469> 365?
<Guest 47> Galileo?
<Guest 98> anyone in this division can seed first with how random their schedules can turn out
<Guest 19> This game is won in auton, so no
<Stogi> 1902 says they have a floor pickup
<BrendanB> Could be a champs addition
<Guest 40> EXACLT 39
<wing1002> archimedes
<Guest 97> 2403 has a floor pickup and is working on their multi disc auto, dunno if they have it or not
<Guest 67> seem not so many talk about Newton
<joeblay694> they have picked up discs
<wing1002> 973 picked up discs
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<Guest 47> ok, thought it was still Archi, though someone said gali
<Guest 98> we're just talking about Archi right now
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<Guest 67> oh ok
<Guest 97> oh
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<Payne_TW> probably going alphabetical as well so curie is next
<sportzkrazzy> 1902 cycles
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<joeyeah> 973's bot is sooo cool looking
<sportzkrazzy> they have it but they dont use it
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<sportzkrazzy> they are good at it too
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<Guest 98> i think too many floor pickups in 1 place will just clutter and slow each other down
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<Guest 43> #solid
<Lowebrass469> fear Mount Olive
<wing1002> get your hashtags out of here
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<samuelgmills11> #sofriction
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<wing1002> :P
<sportzkrazzy> yes
<Guest 72> such nasa
<connorworley1538> watch 968 to see how to play with a FCS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgxbFnZOsQ0&t=2m9s
<Stogi> 868 is real solid
<wing1002> 11's driver is good
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<Stogi> 126 really solid as well
<KevinShi469> 868 loads so fast
<Guest 98> 868 loads really fast!
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<Payne_TW> MECANUM?!?!
<lexanator5> They have a system that lets them get discs in quickly
<Woolly> Mecanum.
<Payne_TW> Chief Delphi hivemind activate!
<joeblay694> 4265 very impressive
<Baselthe2nd> Chris praising a mecanum team.. what?
<Stogi> 4265 insanely impressive for 2nd year
<wing1002> there are teams that can do mecanum
<Guest 98> good? mecanum?
<wing1002> 2974 has done mecanum for 3 years and they've mastered it
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<Guest 47> 1806 is mecanum, too, right?
<Stogi> 3467 has a very smart overall team
<Guest 89> 868 doesn't have mecanum
<Stogi> very good strategically
<Woolly> 1806 is indeed mecanum.
<BrendanB> Thanks Stogi!
<Guest 82> 2974 is awesome.
<IndySam> 4265 has trouble against defence
<lexanator5> 1806 is
<KrazyCarl92> 3467...wow
<BrendanB> We have more tricks up our sleeves!
<Stogi> 701 is an interesting cycler
<Guest 47> 1806 doesn't play in the open field, though, so it doesn't effect them much I guess
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<Woolly> We did quite a bit of cycling in Oklahoma
<Stogi> Did you guys discuss 1334 already?
<KevinShi469> not yet
<Stogi> Chris mention 1334
<Guest 62> 1334
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<Stogi> They deserve a shoutout
<Guest 111> Someone mention 1796?
<Guest 38> thanks, stogi
<Guest 40> 1334 was #25 on the top 25
<wing1002> 1334 is really good
<Stogi> the Top 25 is a peer vote, it doesnt matter
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<joeblay694> 236 is money
<KrazyCarl92> 948
<Guest 40> so?
<Stogi> 2016 potential darkhorse
<alecmataloni111> 71 is an awesome 2nd round pick
<SabreBytes772> 1334 won calgary and finalists against 1114 and 2056....
<SabreBytes772> they're good.
<Guest 72> They were really good when I saw them in person, and I don't vote
<gregor_907> 51 and 71 being dark horses, that sounds strange
<KrazyCarl92> 236 can be pushed around like crazy
<wing1002> 71 would get to elims on name alone
<joeyeah> but they climmmmmb
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<gregor_907> 18 auto, 4 cycles, 50 point climb for 1334
<Guest 47> 1334 climbs and dumps faster than 1114
<joeblay694> 71 will get into elims off of their bot being really good
<KevinShi469> passive dumping w/ their climb
<KrazyCarl92> they dont climb if theyre pinned in a corner
<wing1002> 71 is a slower version of 1114 minus the dump
<alecmataloni111> i can see 71 on the 8th seed alliance
<Guest 100> someone talked about 3990?
<alecmataloni111> maybe.
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<Stogi> ARKA
<alecmataloni111> somewhere around there
<Guest 111> 1796
<Guest 38> I was timing our driver at western canadian and he was doing 15 second cycles
<Stogi> MEDIES
<Guest 98> yes
<Stogi> ARKO
<Guest 98> that's a must have in this division
<KrazyCarl92> also 694
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<wing1002> arkameaties
<Stogi> MOODIES
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<Baselthe2nd> I could see an alliance or two without a pickup. I don't think any would make the semifinals..
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<wing1002> 2056, 67, 1717
<joeblay694> thanks carl, we'll do our best to live up to your shoutout lol
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<joeyeah> 1717
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<joeyeah> will most certainly be picking
<connorworley1538> wow canada so north
<Baselthe2nd> Canadian webcasts so nice
<joeyeah> oh nvm
<Stogi> Curie is a very strange field
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<wing1002> curie has power names... then drops into a very big midfle tier
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<wing1002> middle*
<thadFRC4488> Curie is going to be very weird on the back half of the serpintine
<Guest 38> that whole 17 regional wins thing is pretty big
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<Baselthe2nd> Not very many great autons in Curie.
<wing1002> 2056's driver has won 9 blue banners
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<Woolly> Strong Canada for #1 seed?
<SabreBytes772> she has won 93% of her matches
<Guest 98> true statement
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<connorworley1538> #justwin
<wing1002> it just wins
<Stogi> Agreed
<wing1002> no questions
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<Guest 88> opinions on 1477?
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<Baselthe2nd> 2056 > 1114, /as usual/
<Guest 98> 2056 w/ 67 is a strong alliance!
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<wing1002> 1477 is strong
<Guest 38> #losingisnotanoption
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<wing1002> probably just behind 118
<Guest 98> #ballsohard
<Guest 54> 2056 w/ 67 could win einstein
<samuelgmills11> 2056 with 67 would make me cry lol
<Guest 39> and it is fast
<Stogi> hey Chris be sure to shout out 1310 and 3539, i know our fantasy FIRST team had trouble deciding between those two as our first pick
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<joeyeah> 2056 is better than 118 i wold say
<Baselthe2nd> 67 absolutely requires a blocker.
<Guest 54> climp 11/12 times in qual matches i think
<SabreBytes772> 2056 is way better the 118
<Guest 39> absolutely
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<Guest 98> 2056 will make a ground loader on a different alliance play defense against them
<joeyeah> 67 isnt very tall either so they jstu need to be blcked
<wing1002> no one said they weren't, sabrebytes
<wing1002> i was comparing 1477 to 118
<KevinShi469> 67 can cycle and climb still
<SabreBytes772> #poolnoodles
<Guest 54> 67 w/ a great floor loader (3539, 359, etc) could beat a 2056 alliance
<Woolly> I hate pool noodles.
<Woolly>
<Baselthe2nd> Blocking 67 is not hard. They have to have an offensive lineman. A really good one.
<SabreBytes772> what about peacock? they're not pool noodles
<Guest 98> 67 just needs to fix that drivetrain bug they had at MSC
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<Guest 88> i can imagine is 118 and 1114 get together they will go far..
<Lowebrass469> @Guest98 it's fixed already
<Guest 135> defense is an excellent strategy this year
<Guest 54> 67 can cycle 4/5 in a match as well, they take a defender, etc
<wing1002> if 2056 seeds first and doesn't pick 67, that will surprise all ofus
<Stogi> I think 2145 will be the surprise in this division
<thadFRC4488> 67 and 2056 are going to have targets on their head all weekend
<Guest 98> @Lowebrass469 that's great to hear! i'm excited for them
<wing1002> i think 1503 will be a surprise to everyone
<SabreBytes772> 67 and 2056 will always have tagets on their backs...
<KevinShi469> Match 3 Finals is the jam
<Guest 22> They got blocked at MSC because 2054 broke down so they became the fullback instead of 2337, who was blocking 217 well
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<Baselthe2nd> 2145 is easy to overlook. You could be right, Stogi.
<SabreBytes772> 1503 needs more practice and they'll be good but not amazing
<wing1002> 1717 is awesome
<Guest 54> I say 148 > 1717
<Guest 63> 1717 and their crazy swerve...
<joeyeah> ehhhhhhhhhhhh
<SabreBytes772> no. you can not say 148 is better then 1717...
<Guest 98> only reason why 2056 will lose in quals is if they get overpowered defense against them
<wing1002> 1717 is just tooo good
<Stogi> 1717>148
<SabreBytes772> no body can play D on 2056. NO BODY!
<Guest 98> 1717, dat bot
<wing1002> their driver just needs to be more confident
<Guest 97> 1717 can't be defended against
<Guest 88> hate to say but 1717>148
<Guest 97> Its just scary
<Guest 97> Swerve under the pyramid
<Guest 88> 148 is so inconsistent
<Guest 39> 1717 >> 148 ...
<Guest 38> not even peacock can play D on 2056
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<connorworley1538> 118>1717>148
<SabreBytes772> nope...
<SabreBytes772> Unless they can block in fron o pyramid but idk
<AndrewLawrence> What Connor said ^
<Guest 54> It is hard to play D on 1717
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<wing1002> i'm not sure if 118 > 1717...
<Lowebrass469> 148 is such a different bot why try to compare haha
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<Guest 47> 148 is a risky pick. They can tip or fall off the pyramid, and their big feature is the full court shooter, which is blockable.
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<Guest 54> If you don't block 148, you lose
<Baselthe2nd> I'd probably take 1717 over 118
<Guest 109> 148 doesn't fall off the pyramid anymore...
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<Guest 39> harder block on 148 fcs, as it is pretty high up
<wing1002> 148
<KevinShi469> 3539?
<Guest 54> But 1717 is more consistant
<Guest 39> still -- wasn't that accurate at SVR
<KevinShi469> 359
<Guest 54> 3539 is great
<Guest 47> 148 also doesn't go for 30 anymore either
<joeyeah> if 148 was a LITTLE more accurate at FCS they would be the pick over 1717
<Stogi> 3539 and 1310
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<wing1002> i'd still go for 1717 over 148
<Guest 47> no matter what, 84>60, so a FCS is blockable
<chrisisme> both of them are coming akash
<Guest 38> 1310 is very good
<Guest 109> Right, and because they don't go for 30 they don't fall off anymore.
<SabreBytes772> 1717 and 148 will likely pair up
<Guest 54> 3539 is slightly inconsistant in their auton tho
<wing1002> 7 disc, one of the fastest floor pickups, and just so good
<SabreBytes772> unless 1717 or 1310 get a centerline auto
<Guest 38> accurate FCS and ground pickup
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<Stogi> I love 3539 idk why
<lexanator5> so, wait who are the 3 best then?
<gregor_907> 359 was running 3 1v3
<Lowebrass469> @772 I wouldn't be surprised if they both already had it
<wing1002> 3 best in curie: 2056, 67, 1717
<gregor_907> they should have won their last regional
<KevinShi469> @stogi that indexer is so pretty
<Stogi> Agreed
<Stogi> Just a clean machine
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<Guest 54> 3539!!!
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<SabreBytes772> i don't think 1310 has it
<Guest 98> 2056/67 vs 1310/148
<SabreBytes772> may be 1717 has it
<Guest 97> Nah, michigan you lose with 180pts, not jsut 160
<AndrewLawrence> 1310 is gonna win, and so is the FF team who chose them. Just saiyen.
<Guest 97> just
<Guest 19> Haha people trying to compete with Michigan
<Guest 98> their robot name fits it so perfectly
<AndrewLawrence> Shut up Aaron they're your FF team.
<Guest 19> Nah, in michigan you lose with 200 points
<KevinShi469> michigan you lose with 192 points P
<Tani560> Haha we lost with 192 points in the elim
<KevinShi469> :P
<Tani560> haha thanks kevin
<Guest 69> QF 1-1 was so intense
<Guest 98> 1310 almost got away with first seed there
<Guest 54> 1918 is the most dangerous though
<Guest 69> *2-1
<Lowebrass469> Also 1310 the only team to beat 2056, TWICE!
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<Stogi> 1918 is inconsistent from what i can see
<Guest 38> 1310 is a hybrid FCS as well
<Guest 39> 1918 has good upside, but way inconsistent
<Guest 19> 469 wut were you thinking with no blocker in F-1
<Stogi> ^
<Guest 47> So many 4-digit teams, I like it
<Lowebrass469> @Guest19 not our choice :P
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<gregor_907> 3539's auto us so impressive. 7 disk auto with a 1 disk wide intake
<samuelgmills11> #solid
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<gregor_907> the little half turns
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<Guest 19> $@#$@#$@#$@# chickens eh?
<Stogi> 3539 does a cute wiggle
<Stogi> i love it
<Guest 54> 1918 = floor pickup, cycler, 50pt climb, its crazy, but they are inconsistant. If they pull it together, crazy dangerous
<wing1002> it would be cool to see the copioli's vs Freeman and Dan kimura
<Lowebrass469> Nah, they won us the tournament, can't complain too much
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<Guest 54> 3539 could surprise people
<wing1002> just strategywise who would win
<joeyeah> 3539 is sooooo good
<KevinShi469> that match 3 block maneuver over 2337, gotta give cred to those chickens
<Guest 39> had both Copiolis and Dan K at MSC
<Stogi> 193
<Guest 19> gah i just want to see MSC finals where everyone is fully operational
<samuelgmills11> lol Akash
<Guest 98> Archi winning strategy: floor loaders/cyclers
Curie winning strategy: floor loaders/fcs
<Stogi> 1310+3539+193
<alecmataloni111> 1310 3539 148
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<Baselthe2nd> I don't see how anyone could miss 3539.
<Guest 54> MSC finals with all operational, i would love to see, would've been amazing
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<Guest 19> 3539's bot looks so cool
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<Guest 54> Almost beat 67, 2054, 2337
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<Stogi> Is it time to discuss 1983 and the rest?
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<gregor_907> All the robots in 1918's alliance could score in the pyramid. How often does that happen
<KevinShi469> took it to an 11 point differential match 3
<wing1002> 1983 isgood
<Guest 69> what actually happened is that 2145 would shoot 4 colored and 3572 would dump in the pyramid
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<thadFRC4488> 1540 was good in oklahoma
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<Woolly> 1540 came out of nowhere
<Stogi> 1540 put out a new video of their autons
<KevinShi469> 98-87 becomes 102/107-98
<Guest 40> 3 regional wins!
<Guest 54> I think an 8 alliance with like 1918, 3538, and another team would be dangerous
<wing1002> 1983 is criminally underdiscussed
<Stogi> no 1540 didnt come out of nowhere lol
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<Stogi> they have a good recent history
<Baselthe2nd> You can mention 862 if you'd like. If you like cyclers, you like 862.
<KevinShi469> chickens op
<Guest 40> 1983 has THREE REGIONAL WINS
<KevinShi469> 862 cycles like lightning
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<thadFRC4488> 1983 is VERY good this year
<Woolly> Right, but as far as this year goes
<wing1002> not counting msc or MAR: 2056, 11114, 1983, 1986, 469, 118, and 33 are the only teams to go 3/3 in regional/districts this year
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<Woolly> We were pitted next to them in Oklahoma while they were making all those upgrades
<Guest 39> 2145 got hammered by 2337 at midfield and shook out all their discs
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<Stogi> 1678
<Guest 100> 3990?
<Guest 69> 2337 has a husky drivetrain
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<Baselthe2nd> 2337's driver was actually a bit upset about that.
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<Guest 39> he didn't tip them
<Stogi> 234 is a solid cycler
<thadFRC4488> We have made a lot of good changes to our robot, and we have alot more pushing power now. plus our cycling is much faster
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<samuelgmills11> Does 2337 have two shooters on their bot, I can never tell?
<Baselthe2nd> It was a clean hit, but I believe 2145 suffered a fracture.
<Guest 39> yeh -- two at a time!
<Guest 69> i believe it's double barreled
<Stogi> 234 is pretty boss
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<Guest 39> hmm didn't know there was damage in the hit
<lexanator5> 234 improved greatly between boilermaker and crossroads
<wing1002> someone's phone is ringing...
<Guest 72> 103 has to not be broken though
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<Guest 72> someone's phone is ringin!
<Guest 40> so are we gonna hear from any of the other callers?
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<Guest 98> 16 just like last year
<Guest 93> ANSWER THAT PHONE
<wing1002> dat ringtone
<Guest 39> avon calling!
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<Guest 149> 16 has been a pretty good team this year, but mostly useful as defense
<Guest 149> I don't trust mecanums for defense XD
<wing1002> 233 has a 7 disc
<Guest 149> *useful as support
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<wing1002> 16 doesn't have mecanum
<samuelgmills11> that surprised me, I wanted to see that climb
<Guest 39> 254 built two
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<Stogi> 16 has amazing mecanum yes
<Stogi> best mecanum ever
<Stogi> to exist
<wing1002> oh yea that amazing mecanum
<samuelgmills11> lol be quiet akash
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<Guest 149> Haha, they drive it well, definitely
<Stogi> #suchmecanu
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<Guest 47> I just don't like the look of pink metal against red or blue bumpers. Just doesn't look right.
<thadFRC4488> if 16 is good I hope they dont end up the 20th pick again
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<Payne_TW> 16: #suchmechenum
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<phantom_1986> If you played with them last year you knew it was a capability
<wing1002> tem 16: the boom sqad
<phantom_1986> swerve
<Lowebrass469> The trolls.
<samuelgmills11> That is akash
<connorworley1538> teh boom sqaq
<Guest 149> XD YES WING1002
<Stogi> #suchmecanum
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<Guest 88> Opinions on 1477?
<wing1002> uhh i didnt say that
<Guest 149> Stole it right out of my mouth
<wing1002> you did
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<joeyeah> 2485 is sooooooooooooooooooooooooo good
<Guest 149> bump on the topic of 1477.
<Stogi> Chris you mention 862 for pure cycler?
<Stogi> i didnt hear
<Guest 22> 1477 is poor mans 118 that seems to jam a bit too frequently
<wing1002> wait til galileo
<chrisisme> 862 did come up yeah
<Lowebrass469> 862 needs no mention, they'll prove themselves
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<chrisisme> 1477 will get a mention in their division
<Stogi> lol 1477 a poor man's 118??
<wing1002> 1477 got much better in week 6
<chrisisme> i wouldn't call them a "poor man's 118"
<thefro526> 862 was mentioned as a Cycler
<connorworley1538> required
<Stogi> Nah that's funny, I bet Tonthat would get a chuckle out of that
<Guest 88> 1477 fixed jam as displayed at 118 this weekend
<Guest 88> (mostly)
<wing1002> dat sentence gave me cancer
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<Guest 149> Yep, Torque fixed their jam issues for the most part
<wing1002> (not really0
<Guest 22> Fixed it and played matches?
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<Stogi> Fixed it and won Razorback
<Stogi> lmao
<Guest 149> ^lololol
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<Payne_TW> did 1477 fix their jam issues?
<wing1002> i bet if 624 were to raise the funds to go to razorback they would've won with 1477
<Guest 88> Yes
<Guest 22> I thought they still jammed a bit there. I didn't see them before that so I'm not sure how bad it was early.
<wing1002> but 624's hopper flipped the discs too much
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<Guest 47> 1477 has 3 qual losses over 4 events. Ridiculous.
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<Guest 141> anyone know what division they are discussing?
<Guest 109> Curie
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<wing1002> curie
<Guest 39> curie
<Guest 141> thanks
<Guest 88> have they done gali yet?
<wing1002> no
<KevinShi469> Arch Curi so far
<Guest 88> ah ok
<Guest 149> Not yet, unless I'm mistaken
<Guest 88> newton too?
<Stogi> Chris i'll toss out a random team i dont recall discussing 1678
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<Guest 109> Guest88 are you on 1477?
<Guest 149> GALI
<Guest 39> prob doing alphabet...
<wing1002> 118
<Payne_TW> #swagileo
<wing1002> 1114
<Guest 97> 1114/118/610
<Guest 38> it should just be called Canada
<Guest 141> did they discuss newton yet?
<Guest 97> Newton is last
<Guest 88> Yeah
<gregor_907> 1114, 118, 1477, 610
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<Stogi> Wil i hate you
<IndySam> duhhhh
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<Guest 109> I figured
<Guest 72> 'only team in the country'
<Guest 72> the world.
<Guest 88> Yep.
<Payne_TW> Get@mebro
<Guest 97> 1114 has had 7 cycles
<Baselthe2nd> 2169, 111...
<Guest 72>
<Guest 22> Dont sleep on 2169 gregor
<Guest 97> Does 50pt climb
<Guest 97> But only 3disc auto
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<Guest 47> 1114 + 1477, #teamIFI :P
<Guest 88> ^
<Guest 97> no 3 disc means not ranked 1
<Baselthe2nd> 111, 111, 111
<Lowebrass469> 7 cycles + climb?
<Guest 44> what do you guys think about FCS vs FCS elimnation matches? that could be a case in Galileo
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<Guest 97> Whats deal with 118's climb btw?
<gregor_907> Was this the first year 1477 was an IFI team
<DavidCarr3309> What happened to 118's 30pt climb?
<Guest 97> What do they do?
<Guest 149> Could be. There are a lot of great FCS teams in Gali.
<wing1002> 118 has won 3 regionals and been the first pick or first alliance captain every time
<Stogi> silken vallee
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<wing1002> 118 has no weight
<KevinShi469> I believe 118's climber was 20 pounds + too heavy
<KevinShi469> or something
<Guest 97> What does 118 do for their climber?
<Guest 109> They took it off
<Guest 149> 10 point.
<Guest 93> 111 for the name, but bot-wise they aren't top tier
<Guest 88> @ gregor yes this is the first year
<Stogi> 111 will be top tier at Champs
<Guest 97> They just do their 10pt then? Wow
<Stogi> people said that about 111 in 09 too
<Baselthe2nd> I believe in Wildstang
<wing1002> 610, 111, 125, 842
<Stogi> and in every year they won champs
<Payne_TW> 1477 and 1323 are wild cards
<Payne_TW> they can be good
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<Payne_TW> or really great
<Guest 149> 1477 won their own.
<gregor_907> 1477 is one of the top
<Stogi> I saw video of 1323 doing some pretty nice autons
<wing1002> same with 4334
<gregor_907> Share?
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<Stogi> I'm sure RC and crew will have them ready for Champs
<Guest 47> 1323 says they have both multi autons working
<joeyeah> 2485 is very close to max height but not quite
<Guest 22> Stogi, I'm still waiting for video of their super fast climber...:/
<Guest 47> 7 and center
<Guest 93> 111 has yet to show they can fix their jamming issue. Powerful team, but until they do..
<Baselthe2nd> As part of my obligation to lobby for Michigan teams, 2000, 245, 27...
<Guest 161> SISK FOR EMPEROR
<Stogi> Like I said, 111 has been sort of underwhelming other years, but then they go win champs
<rsisk101> Inland Emperor
<Guest 69> can confirm 2000 and 245 are scary
<Stogi> and are like "get at me"
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<wing1002> 245 is probably juyst behind 610 as best cycler in the division
<Guest 43> 111 will be top tier
<Guest 39> 2000 & 245 both pretty dangerous
<Stogi> 111 will be top tier
<Baselthe2nd> Sisk is already Emperor
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<wing1002> 2169 is nearly unstoppable
<connorworley1538> get@me&my#ejswag
<Guest 22> 2175 and 3528 may be better than 111
<Guest 93> it's still pure speculation
<KevinShi469> 245!
<Guest 97> What is so good about 1477? never seen them play
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<Guest 161> 1477 eats rookies for breakfast
<Guest 88> LOL
<Stogi> 125 is another team with a ton of potential at Champs
<Baselthe2nd> For most underrated Canadian teams, 4039
<Guest 149> 7 disc autonomous, FAST robot, cycler. 10 point climb at the end.
<Guest 43> but is that all they do?
<Payne_TW> 1114's MAX OPR doesn't really care about what the robot can't do
<Guest 47> 1477 7 discs and cycles or pickups, 10 point hang. Plus an elevator that they haven't used for anything, yet...
<Guest 88> Yet.
<Guest 149> Plus, LEDsssss
<wing1002> idk, 118 and 2056 are pretty darn close in floor pickup speed
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<Guest 161> 1477's elevator is the most crucial part of their robot
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<Guest 88> ^ no the LEDs
<Guest 39> points is points ... 1114 gets a good piece of the 30 colored disc points that are available
<chrisisme> #TEAMELEVATOR
<Guest 161> #teamelevator
<gregor_907> Anyone have any 1477 vid?
<Guest 109> 118's floor pick up isn't blazing fast...
<wing1002> 3 back to back events
<Guest 88> Go to the Texas Torque youtube channel
<Stogi> 125
<gregor_907> 1983 won 3 back to back regionals
<joeyeah> 125 murdered at Boston
<wing1002> 610, gaiz
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<Baselthe2nd> Whoooo wildstang
<Payne_TW> Torque competed in weeks 2, 4, 5, and 6
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<Guest 39> wish the rest of the country had the video that you can see for MSC for example
<connorworley1538> 1 1 1 woldstong
<Guest 161> link for the lazy:http://www.youtube.com/user/FRC1477/videos
<Guest 47> 1477 12 week video. Not great match footage, but it's a video
<Guest 47> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSjHFgbcJZc
<Guest 149> 610 definitely needs more recognition.
<Guest 39> be a lot easier to scout teams you've never seen before!
<Guest 98> 111 is very consistant
<Guest 149> *consistent
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<Guest 149> XD
<Guest 93> this year?
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<Payne_TW> 4334 may not even make elims #conspiracy
<Guest 88> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kiujv9_McM< 1477
<Guest 22> 4334 likely wont
<Baselthe2nd> 610 really does not need more recognition
<gregor_907> 4069 is meh
<Payne_TW> didn't even make seattle elims
<Guest 22> 2630, 610 is FCS
<Payne_TW> 610 and 245 are the best cyclers ever
<wing1002> 610, 245, 125
<Payne_TW> and in the same division
<Payne_TW> D:
<Guest 47> 610 might be FCS, might be floor pickup, you never know
<joeyeah> dont know if 125 would go that deep
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<Payne_TW> 610 will either be an alliance captain or a first pick of a floor cycler
<Guest 22> FCS: 2169
1806
2485
2512
4334
329
4069
1425
1629
<Guest 22> as well as 610, 2630 and 2729
<Guest 43> Whats everyones take on VEX worlds the same time as FIRST champs next year?
<Drost> I don't think 1806 is two, because mecanum
<Baselthe2nd> I'd bet 610 is an alliance captain
<Guest 165> Talking a lot about Canadian teams
<wing1002> i'd have 2485 just behind 2169
<Drost> And you missed 1519
<Guest 47> VEX and FIRST need to get along.
<gregor_907> I don't see 610 seeding high, I see them being picked high
<Drost> and 225
<wing1002> vex and first do get along
<Guest 165> 610's floor pickup seemed a little flimsy - I'd say they would go more for a FCS
<Guest 149> 610 can definitely pull it off, depending on their match schedule and everything they've worked on in the past few weeks.
<gregor_907> Guest 165, that's because Canada is good =D
<joeyeah> 225 is plain dirty(good dirty)
<wing1002> JVn and Paul Copioli and Karthik are FIRST mentors
<Lowebrass469> @Guest47 and not plan things at the same time. RIP CMP next year :<
<Guest 43> vex and first kind of get along
<Guest 43> not totally
<Guest 149> really get along
<Baselthe2nd> More like FIRST needs to get along with VEX. I don't think VEX has any problems with FIRST.
<Guest 47> Yeah, but VEX is competing with them ever since FIRST started doing FTC
<Woolly> #mecanumhate
<alecmataloni111> Climber dumpers!
<Guest 141> newton now?
<Guest 39> 245&469 won at troy , too
<alecmataloni111> 2481!!
<samuelgmills11> #ballsohardtoballsoharder
<Guest 43> and now competiting in fll area
<mrroboto2826> 2481!~!!
<thefro526> another 3-5 minutes of Galileo
<Payne_TW> Galileo is not stacked with great 7 disc autos
<Payne_TW> 610 puts up a TON of points
<Guest 97> 2403
<Stogi> YES
<Guest 97> YAY 2403!
<wing1002> 842?
<Stogi> 2403
<Stogi> tes
<Stogi> yes
<Payne_TW> TES
<Guest 97> Yeah!
<Guest 161> Samuel G Mills is in the house
<Guest 22> multidisc autos: 1241, 111, 2175, 3258, 447, 118, 1477, 2474, 2337, 70
<Guest 97> 2403 PLASMA
<samuelgmills11> No That is me
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<KevinShi469> Troy Finals was 245-469-4377 vs. 3539-67-4810
<Stogi> 2403 is really solid
<Guest 97> Solid robot
<Guest 97> 30pt climb
<samuelgmills11> 161 whoe are you
<wing1002> 842
<Guest 39> 4377 had a hat
<wing1002> missing 842
<Guest 97> Plasma was scary @2403
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<Guest 93> 1732 worth mentioning as well
<KevinShi469> pool noodle hats
<Guest 22> Did 842 do mulidisc in a real match yet?
<Guest 97> They managed to save 987 when their robot shut down in Vegas
<Stogi> 2403 got funding and planned their trip to Vegas in 1 week
<Guest 39> don't leave home without one ... v 67 !
<Guest 97> In finals
<Stogi> it was nuts
<Tani560> Troy was so much fun to watch 469 full court shoot 245 cycle and 4377 block!
<Guest 161> if you were astute, you would know
<Guest 149> Opinions on the Dapper Dans (1801)?
<Guest 161>
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<Guest 109> Dapper dans play angry defense
<alecmataloni111> wooo!
<samuelgmills11> If I were astute?
<Guest 47> Dans also have a ridiculous cannon for a shooter
<Stogi> 2474 is solid but needs to be faster
<Guest 98> they were strong contenders at Crossroads. Almost had the event there
<Guest 22> 2481 should stick to offense and climbing
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<Guest 109> And their alliance reps wear short dresses
<Lowebrass469> 2474 played a lot of mean defense in addition to solid auton
<wing1002> 842 gaiz
<samuelgmills11> 161 I bet you are WM or RD
<Guest 149> #teamdropdownintake
<Baselthe2nd> 2474 could get picked for auton alone
<Lowebrass469> versatile as it gets
<Guest 67> what division are we on now?
<wing1002> gali
<Guest 149> Still on Gali
<Guest 67> thanks
<Payne_TW> 1218 was bombin' in HH, now they're better
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<Baselthe2nd> Whoooooo
<Guest 161> 1218 was unfairly declined in CT
<Lowebrass469> Go NERDS!
<Guest 98> 2337 has an interesting shooter as well
<Guest 39> and they have a good auto
<Stogi> Team UPNext
<Guest 149> And an interesting base
<Guest 149> Oh yeah, we haven't discussed 3528
<wing1002> 3528 is good
<wing1002> 842
<Guest 149> FCS at times, cycler at others
<Guest 136> ya
<Stogi> 3528
<Payne_TW> 842?
<Payne_TW> did you mentio nthem?
<Guest 22> 2000 likely wont get picked
<Stogi> 2474
<KevinShi469> 45?
<Guest 82> What division are we on?
<Guest 97> 842 is decent robot would put them in as a decent cycler w/ground pickup
<Guest 82> Oh.
<Guest 136> 4039/1241/4069 willput up a fight, they wont go down easy
<Payne_TW> galileo's bottom 12 picks are going to be a mess
<Baselthe2nd> To clarify, 2337 has chamfered corners which allowed the rectangular area to be larger and the drive base to be longer.
<IndySam> 45 on a down year
<Guest 97> Dat ascent
<wing1002> 842's climber is just so awesome
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<Guest 98> 45 is having some issues this year. good for defense though
<Guest 39> 842 climb is just ... scary!
<Baselthe2nd> 842 climb scariness is only second to 148
<wing1002> 1986 on newton. cast over.
<KevinShi469> ah they just caught my eye on the list
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<Stogi> oh holy crap did we mention 1241
<Guest 149> 1241
<wing1002> 1241
<Guest 109> 842's may be scarier than 148
<wing1002> forgot about 1241
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<Stogi> yay
<phantom_1986> There are some sleepers and some great teams in this division
<Stogi> i gotcho back Pinecone
<wing1002> definitely will be good
<Guest 141> just watched 842's climber. I think that was clearly a gymnastics move
<Guest 77> 1241 shoots laser BEAMs
<joeyeah> 1986 wil lbe first to be discussed about garantuee
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<Baselthe2nd> Newton has like 4 really strong teams. Plus a number of good "role players." They could put up a fight on Einstein.
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<Stogi> newton - 1986, 1538, 3476
<Guest 175> 1310 cough couch
<wing1002> 1986 will win newton. no questions asked
<Guest 165> What about 1310?
<gregor_907> Neither 1241 or 4039 got a wildcard
<alecmataloni111> 1986's playground is the newton division
<joeyeah> 3476 would not go that deep
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<Guest 82> Walton Robotics 2974!
<joeyeah> is a BOSS
<Stogi> no i wasnt naming an lliance
<gregor_907> 1241 got EI, 4039 waitlisted
<Guest 141> 195
<Stogi> i was naming tiop 3 teams
<Guest 175> 1310... is a canadian team
<wing1002> 1986 is the most consistent robot
<Guest 39> schedule gods can pimp anyone ..
<wing1002> this year
<Stogi> 1986, 1538, 3476 as top 3 in newton IMO
<joeyeah> 341 is pretty solid too
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<Nick_Coussens> they scoop under it
<Guest 98> 1986 somehow can do everything in the game and still fit under the pyramid
<Nick_Coussens> then when it gets tilted up, they have a stopper to let one in
<Nick_Coussens> then the other one is allowed to fall in
<KevinShi469> daisy thunder is so nice
<Stogi> 195 is the most baller FCS i've seen
<joeyeah> so can 254 hahahaha
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<Baselthe2nd> I'd take 2054 over 1538.
<Guest 153> 1241 can do full court too
<Guest 67> 195 is tall
<wing1002> 2054 is good
<Payne_TW> "clear"
<Guest 141> 195 is accurate though
<joeyeah> 2054!
<Payne_TW> "existent"
<Guest 141> really accurate
<alecmataloni111> 1538!
<Guest 172> In CT regional I saw 195 cycling too
<Baselthe2nd> If any two of 2054/1986/1538 get together, they go to Einstein.
<wing1002> 1538
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<Payne_TW> interchangable
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<gregor_907> 3476 is so good
<Lowebrass469> Basel don't leave out 2826 and 341 :>
<Baselthe2nd> Sorry Aaron.. haha
<AndrewLawrence> 1538 is the second best team in the entire division.
<Guest 141> you never knew what 195 would do. Cycle, FCS...always a surprise
<wing1002> 2826, 341, 2476
<wing1002> 3476*
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<Payne_TW> aw I just ate a burnt cheez it
<Payne_TW> what is life
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<Nick_Coussens> whoever gets with 1986 will win
<samuelgmills11> holy cow swag
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<connorworley1538> dark horse dark cow >:)
<joeyeah> agreed
<KevinShi469> holy cows
<Nick_Coussens> just like the regionals titanium has been at
<Guest 172> 1986 is an all around great robot
<Stogi> 3476 will be a scary bot in Newton i think
<joeyeah> 1986 is soooooooooooooooooooooooo amazing
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<Lowebrass469> 1538 is a lock, not a dark horse :P
<Stogi> teams should be prepared
<Nick_Coussens> at GKC it was obvious whoever they picked were going to win
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<joeyeah> 3476 is so underestimated too!
<Hallry1676> Thanks =)
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<Baselthe2nd> But seriously say like 2054/1538/moderately good FCS could get to Einstein the same way #2 alliance won MSC.
<gregor_907> whoever 1986 picks will win
<Guest 149> Yeah, looking back at Newton... Titanium has got this. Strong, CONSISTENT robot.
<Guest 39> LForward does his posts when? any idea of his history?
<Stogi> 180 is super neat
<Baselthe2nd> Newton has a lot of FCS
<joeyeah> yup
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<Guest 149> Consistency is going to be key there. 180 is cool as well.
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<Stogi> 2826
<Baselthe2nd> 225
<Guest 82> 2974
<Guest 39> SPAM Filters!
<Baselthe2nd> 2471
<Baselthe2nd> 217
<wing1002> 217
<Guest 175> 1310
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<AndrewLawrence> autonomi
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<joeyeah> autonomi
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<Guest 39> autonomi?
<Nick_Coussens> newton could be a surprise srongest
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<Guest 126> the combo of FCS and floor pickups in Newton tell me they might win it all
<alecmataloni111> THere are just as many good FCSes in Galileo as there are in newton
<KevinShi469> autonomous modes i guess
<Nick_Coussens> teams might mix the best on alliances in newton
<wing1002> it just doesn't ahve the name
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<wing1002> Newton doesn't have big name
<wing1002> that's all
<Guest 39> 1986 is a pretty storng threat
<Guest 109> There's 2789 and their "#defense"
<alecmataloni111> Newton's big name is 1986...
<Lowebrass469> Newton it's most likely something sneaks past into 24th
<Baselthe2nd> Newton is totally weaker, but they still ahve the teams to ahve a great alliance
<Guest 149> #texplosion
<Guest 98> LF did his division threads last year on that Tuesday
<Guest 149> #defense
<Guest 172> If a full court shooter teams up with defense bot and floor pickup that alliance will do well
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<Guest 109> #theyusehashtagstoomuchonchief
<joeyeah> FCS is the way to go for newton
<Nick_Coussens> yeah but if you mix titanium with a good FCS who is smart with a solid 3rd bot, it could work together better then the other 3 divisions
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<Guest 149> TEXplosion DID add a 3 disc autonomous. Much better than their dump during competition season.
<Guest 137> FCS plus ground pickup is a great combo
<Guest 141> that's how 195 and 20 took CT.
<Baselthe2nd> Two pickups and a 3rd bot FCS wins newton. Calling it now!
<alecmataloni111> wait, where's 2168?
<Guest 141> mixing FCS with awesome ground pickup
<Guest 172> If you get a strong FCS that also cycles like 195 or 225 can, it will be hard to beat
<Guest 67> FCS + floor pick up no one can't stop that
<joeyeah> a GOOD FCS wont be third
<Baselthe2nd> (also, probably wrong! but predicting anyway!)
<Payne_TW> 195 only has 2 powered wheels
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<joeyeah> 195 i thought had 2 traction and 2 onis
<joeyeah> omnis
<Guest 141> all 195's wheels are powered now
<wing1002> 180 took off the floor pickup i think
<Hallry1676> didn't they take off their floor pickup?
<Guest 126> 180 removed the floor pick-up
<Guest 39>
<gregor_907> 180 took their pickup off
<KrazyCarl92> are all 195's wheels traction now?
<joeyeah> shhhhh 141
<Guest 172> According to the newton excel file on cd, all wheels are powered on 195
<Guest 39> everybody but the speaker seems toknow that :P
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<Guest 180> 180 took off their pickup but their still a solid cycler
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<Guest 179> oh joe
<Guest 180> hey that's a convenient guest number...
<joeyeah> oh 179
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<wing1002> 3476 is good
<joeyeah> 195 can turn tho from the omni's they have
<Guest 141> 195 big fat traction rear wheels
<Guest 126> don't sleep on 25
<Guest 109> 2789 will hump people into submission
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<Lowebrass469> 217 has the drive train. Everything else is just icing
<mrroboto2826> ^^^
<wing1002> the copiolis
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<Guest 141> 3476?
<Guest 137> 217 is a very decent FCS
<Guest 141> code orange
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<Guest 39> 217 climber has been NO money ... sigh
<joeyeah> 2789 is a Beast
<Guest 109> 217's full court isn't very decent
<Guest 109> It's average
<Guest 98> i wonder if 1114 and 217 meant to work w/ each other this year? they have in the past
<Lowebrass469> their climber worked once on practice
<Lowebrass469> hehe
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<Baselthe2nd> As we're toning down the CMP chat, anyone wanna help me with Thermo? :P
<KevinShi469> its like a chicken claw when it climbs
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<Guest 39> why did the chicken cross the road? so they could climb the pyramid?
<joeyeah> 1986 is still looking to be superior in this division
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<Guest 109> 2789 for tacticallll
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<Guest 188> Did they do curie already?
<connorworley1538> yes
<Guest 109> yes
<thefro526> Yes
<Guest 188> hmmmm, i see. $@#$@#$@#$@# i missed it
<Guest 67> you late
<Guest 188> I late
<alecmataloni111> they won from the 8th seed IIRC
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<alecmataloni111> very impressive
<joeyeah> 1986 1538 3476 2826 341 all fantasitic division winner candidates
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<Guest 98> thats a dangerous strategy anywhere you go. even champs
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<wing1002> 2415 is Archi
<Lowebrass469> I heard them mentioned though I think
<Payne_TW> 2415 would have wrecked in Newton
<samuelgmills11> they were so good
<wing1002> 4451 is amazing
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<samuelgmills11> definitely not rookie like
<Payne_TW> I wouldnt be shocked to see 4451 have a shooter if they can afford the weight
<mrroboto2826> 4451 is a 4 wheel tank
<Guest 126> they're too small to play D, though
<Guest 141> how many climb/dumpers are there?
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<Stogi> Went to grab some coffee, whatd I miss?
<wing1002> you missed everything
<Stogi> Current topic?
<wing1002> they revealed the 2014 game
<Baselthe2nd> they mentioned some teams
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<Baselthe2nd> oh, right michigan teams.. 2612, 68!
<Stogi> Chris you do 2252?
<Guest 47> With 100 teams and 10 matches, you will never get perfect seeding.
<chrisisme> 2252 came up yeah
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<wing1002> 469, 1114, 2056, and 1986 will be on einstein
<Lowebrass469> 68 brought major game to last year's CMP
<Guest 98> yes please!!
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<Guest 172> I think a fcs can make it onto eintein with 1986 and a good defense bot
<joeyeah> agreeed
<Baselthe2nd> 503! 1718!
<Guest 39> 1718 needs a shout
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<Baselthe2nd> 2619, 141!
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<Stogi> I don't think FCS will make it to Einstein
<Guest 126> 2 floor loaded w/ FCS
<Lowebrass469> Versatility on Einstein! Change it up every match!
<Guest 47> The best teams don't always make Einstein. 2011 I'd say 1114 was so good, but seeding and picking screwed them over
<thefro526> 1718 was mentioned earlier
<Lowebrass469> That will be king.
<Stogi> I think team 40 will make it to einstein
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<wing1002> 1 floor pickup, 1 or 2 cyclers
<joeyeah> 1986 and a FCS can compeltely empty the station in udner 1 minute
<Stogi> and 188
<Guest 67> lol FCS is score the most
<Guest 188> ^ my guest number
<joeyeah> and then more discs from other team or missed ones
<wing1002> 5469 will win einstein
<Guest 172> A pure FCS shooter probably won't but a hybrid FCS might
<Stogi> 188 + 40 + 22 will msot likely make it to einstein
<Guest 188> Wish they were there this year
<Guest 47> Don't forget team 77
<Baselthe2nd> 47 guaranteed championship this year
<Guest 98> every division but archimedes will have a FCS on their einstein alliance
<Stogi> its about time for 47
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<Baselthe2nd> Chess match is best match
<Guest 172> I agree with guest 98 but I also think a FCS will have a hard time winning einstein
<Guest 126> there's always the chance a VIP takes a disc to the face... exciting?
<Stogi> Thoughts on place of pure cylers at champs this year
<Stogi> will we see a pure cycler on Einstein
<joeyeah> i suppose well see
<Baselthe2nd> no
<Guest 47> FCS will be limited in effectiveness in champs elims because of limited resources
<Lowebrass469> 1310+3539+1918
<thefro526> There will be pure cyclers on Einstein
<Stogi> Dustin talk about that
<Baselthe2nd> well, maybe. But only as 3rd bots
<Guest 188> YES 1310
<Guest 172> I think most cyclers will have floor pickup
<Stogi> Basel i wasnt saying as which bot
<Baselthe2nd> yeah, yeah
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<Baselthe2nd> You know mean, just post the first thing that comes to mind
<Baselthe2nd> me*
<Stogi> :P lol
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<Guest 39> bottom line -- the scheduling gods will rule!
<Guest 98> shooters not meaning to play defense will play defense on einstein
<joeyeah> 1986 will probably be on einstein
<Baselthe2nd> +1 Guest 39. I wish it weren't that way, though..
<Guest 39> 12 matches
<Guest 172> Yes, 1986 has a good chance of taking Einstein, and based on their history, a FCS will probably be with them
<Lowebrass469> I wish divisions had like 15 qual matches for each team
<Guest 172> making*
<Lowebrass469> so it was really a battle of robots not luck
<Guest 126> i don't think 1986 picks a FCS 1st round
<Guest 188> YESSSS 1310
<Stogi> I don't think 1986 will pick FCS first pick
<joeyeah> because they want another pick up
<alecmataloni111> and no sabotage
<joeyeah> BUT
<Baselthe2nd> I know it's tough on schools already, but an additional full day of qualification matches would be great for the rankings
<joeyeah> they may no care about the extra 2 discs
<Guest 172> They will probably pick second
<alecmataloni111> Please no sabotage
<Guest 168> there's already a flood warning.
<wing1002> this is why champs should move to Atlanta
<joeyeah> in comparison to a FCS a Good one
<wing1002> back to atlanta
<Guest 172> the first will probably be a good cycler
<Stogi> guys don't DDos people
<Guest 98> don't jinx it
<Guest 39> atlanta had its tornado, too -- 2010 ...
<KevinShi469> sab-bot-age?
<phantom_1986> Tornadoes are pretty much missouri
<Guest 47> Whether or not teams actually block FCS, teams will be hesitant to pick one because they can be blocked.
<joeyeah> unless they are versatile...
<Guest 172> But if they could cycle aswell as FCS, they will increase their chances
<joeyeah> they arnt juust gonna sit there the whole match, and they suck in defense
<Stogi> There's only 3 things in Missouri 1) 1986, 2) BBQ, and 3) tornadoes
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<Guest 39> i like bbq ....:p
<Hallry1676> Will there be scores of over 300?
<Guest 47> There could be better cyclers. I doubt a team gets picked in the first round because they FCS
<KevinShi469> how about sploding bacon?
<Guest 39> only with fouls ...
<alecmataloni111> A lot more fun than watching paper airplanes
<joeyeah> i think we can JUST hit 300 on einstein
<Baselthe2nd> pickup+FCS+fullback tend to be stuck to their one strategy, a lot like MSC's #1 alliance. It can win, but not being versatile = dangerous
<joeyeah> like 302 or sumthing
<Payne_TW> I wish they went to a round robin format
<Lowebrass469> oh jeez, the airplanes.
<Guest 188> i don't see 300s happening
<Guest 67> or 3 teams climb on the third lvl
<Stogi> We'll see people break 300 i think or come really close
<Guest 98> this game will be fun to watch. it's alreaady fast paced and it will be even faster at einstein
<KevinShi469> IRI will get that 300
<Guest 47> 2 pickups could steal enough discs to break 300 if they also have a climber
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<Guest 39> 300 is only on the table if you can get seriousclimb points
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<Guest 126> like you said earlier, basel: 2 pick-ups and a FCS is the way to go
<Stogi> Code Orange <3
<joeyeah> a 30 pnt climb and a 50 dump in reasonable time can get 300
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<Stogi> my new favorite team
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The recording has ended.
And for those of you traveling to the Championship in the next day or three here’s a link to the recording (will be live shortly if it isn’t already) for you to take with you: http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.jsp?masterId=98466&cmd=tc
Great cast guys, I haven’t tuned into one of these in a while, but this division breakdown was fantastic as always.
Great cast everyone. It wasn’t our most planned out adventure, but I think we had some decent commentary and did a pretty good general overview of teams at the Championship. Glad to see so many people tuned in to hear us ramble about robots, and don’t forget to check out the TwentyFour talk at the Championship this Thursday!
Fun Fact: The hashtags thing is my fault. We now have three flavors of inside jokes on our team: 1) starting a statement with “hashtags” and then saying something way too long with layered meanings, 2) starting a statement with “Plot Twist:…” And then finding a way to contradict the statement you just said previously, and 3) starting a statement with “Fun Fact” and then citing an obscure fact like I just did for the end of this post lol. Feel free to use any of those when speaking to my team members at champs, bonus points if you find a way to work them all into one statement lol*
Nice to talk about a lot of teams in the division instead of caving to traditional fan-baiting for powerhouses.
But really, I love talks about breakdowns and strategy. Keeps me fresh, or something.
Ha, EWCP kiss butt to traditional powerhouses? 2011 we called 217 over rated. 2012 we said that, while 973 was an amazing machine, it was overly complicated for the task at hand. I think we also got into a huge argument of whether 254 was “THAT” good that year too. Basically, expect irreverence with us.
Thanks to those that remembered us… We will do our best on Curie