Auto Quest is achieved a lot, it seems. On the other hand, Face the Boss is rather uncommon. However, I can imagine a bot with failed auto code that then is able to be supported by another bot for a Face the Boss. Has this happened?
I have seen an alliance which one robot’s auto failed get the levitate and the two other robots successfully climb together for the face the boss.
it happened to both alliances at the same time during Q4 in NYTR
blue had 7031 not moving in auto, red had 20.
blue had a double climb + levitate thanks to 3996
red had a single climb + levitate + contacted 7031 in the platform zone during endgame.
5254 has a code bug that causes us to not move in auto. At the end of the match, 1507 and 5254 climb together, which, along with levitate, achieves the “Face the Boss” RP
It has happened for sure, including this match (https://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2018mokc_qm7), though it is very uncommon
There were a few instances at WPI. Q23 had 213 dead for most of the match, but blue got levitate, a climb from 78, and another free climb for contact in the platform zone.
4905 also got a levitate + double lift in Q71 after a failed auto.
2605 was getting pretty consistent with facing the boss during the Auburn district event. There were a few matches where they didn’t get auto quest for various reasons, but did get the face the boss at the end. One match it happened in was qualification 52.
As of right now, there are 73 matches where the Autoquest flag is false and the Face the Boss flag is true.
FLOR, MIKET, and NYRO all had 7 matches where this was the case.
This happened to my team, 3512, @ LA in Qual 14:
Although in this case, our third alliance partner never made it to the match so we had no hope of getting the auto quest ranking point. I will say that we were able to get some autonomous going for 848 by working with their programmers before the match, so that was neat to see! And we still won the match thanks to levitate and our ramps!
Edit: I just noticed we got 3 Fouls in that match lol. Whoops
Happened in match 74 at Mt. Vernon with 1318 and 4469 climbing and 4173 using the levitate.
I actually count 168 matches so far… with 169 occurrences. The only match where it occurred for both alliances was 2018nytr_qm4.
As the above lists states, NE Waterbury Qualification 20: https://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2018ctwat_qm20
Whoops, I was counting unique match numbers, not unique event + match numbers.
I think that the probability an alliance successfully completes Auto Quest is fairly independent from the probability that same alliance completes Face the Boss, so let’s use MATH!
A – Auto quest successful
B – face the Boss successful
A’ – negation of A, i.e. Auto quest unsuccessful
B’ – negation of B, i.e. face the Boss unsuccessful
So we’re going to be looking for matches which meet the criteria A’ AND B
From TBA Insights we can get A and B (have to combine qual and elims data):
A = 0.401
B = 0.049
which means that we can get A’ and B’ (A’=1-A, B’=1-B):
A’ = 0.599
B’ = 0.951
Then multiplying A’ and B gives us:
A’*B = 0.029
This relies on the probability of success of A and B being completely independent which may or may not be a good assumption. We can quickly check if it was by calculating the value for A AND B, which TBA Insights lists as “Unicorn Matches”
A*B = 0.020
TBA Unicorn Matches = 0.022
Not too shabby.
An even better test would be comparing it to someone who actually scraped all the data:
169 instances / 7094 matches = 0.029
My value was 0.029 as well. Neat.
More decimal places:
True = 0.02869
Calc = 0.02948
I think it makes sense that A*B would be further from the true value than A’*B, since we’re not exactly flipping a coin and rolling a die (elims matches don’t have random participants, not completing Auto Quest may say something about that alliance, etc.)
Just out of curiosity, was any of these true triple climbs? (IE no levitate or end-game-penalty)
At least this one was. It was our only triple climb, and our auto hadn’t been cooperating the entire tournament. Two of our other double climbs made this list during that week 2 event.