I would like to start a code of honor for the Curie group that if you reply to this message you will not fix a match. It will be hard enough in this elite group to be in the top eight with out fixing being in the mix.
And i start this with team 25
don’t even ask us
We will do anything we can to help any other team, but don’t ask Kingman to fix a match
Team 103 officially signs the code of honor. We will gladly help you fix your machine and offer advice and support, but we will not be part of collusion/match fixing/artificial score boosting. Thank you Team 25.
I can assure you that team 71 will play every match in the best interest of our alliance and the ONLY reason the opposing alliance’s stack will stand is if it is in our alliance’s best interest.
So please, don’t ask.
Sincerely,
Brian Beatty
*Originally posted by Brian Beatty *
**I can assure you that team 71 will play every match in the best interest of our alliance and the ONLY reason the opposing alliance’s stack will stand is if it is in our alliance’s best interest.
So please, don’t ask.Sincerely,
Brian Beatty **
What Brian said.
Boy, is this a good division, or what? The only thing is that I’m getting tired of playing against Beatty when all the marbles are on the line (just kidding). Here’s hoping that it doesn’t happen.
-Chris
Team 188 also finds that it is better to play your best and let the teams decide the outcome. We also are against setting up matches so don’t ask. Can’t wait to get there and see how we fair. To team 71, thanks for the great final matches in Western Michigan. We were proud to be on the same field as you and the rest of your great alliance.
cyberblue signs the code.
Team 322 has not and will not fix any matches.
Team 395, 2TrainRobotics signs the code. We’re looking forward to competing fairly with you all. Curie is truly an all star alliance. Let’s give it our best and see how things play out.
Wayne
For some of the people signing this you don’t seem to realize what happens if both stacks are taken out. Both sides get hardly any elimination points and then lose the chance of getting in the top eight. Team 386 will ask to keep both stacks up and will not sign this code of honor because we have had this happen before and the score was 6-1 with us winning but only getting 8 QP’s. it is not fair to the teams in the top eight who worked hard to get there and end up getting 1-3 matches like this and end up losing their spot and even if possible lose their chance in the finals. I could see not fixing matches in the quarters,semis, and finals but during regular competition I see where it is needed. I would think twice if I was the teams signing this if I were you.
TEAM VOLTAGE*Originally posted by voltage *
**For some of the people signing this you don’t seem to realize what happens if both stacks are taken out. Both sides get hardly any elimination points and then lose the chance of getting in the top eight. Team 386 will ask to keep both stacks up and will not sign this code of honor because we have had this happen before and the score was 6-1 with us winning but only getting 8 QP’s. it is not fair to the teams in the top eight who worked hard to get there and end up getting 1-3 matches like this and end up losing their spot and even if possible lose their chance in the finals. I could see not fixing matches in the quarters,semis, and finals but during regular competition I see where it is needed. I would think twice if I was the teams signing this if I were you.TEAM VOLTAGE **
Fixing matches, means:
Someone approaches you and offers to let you get a high score if you agree to not knock their stacks down and not interfere, basically it’s 4 robots working together, wiht only 2 getting an awesomely high score. It’s kinda like cheating allthough there is no rule against it. Now everyone wants to get a high score, but it should be done fairly and without collaboration from your opponents. Every team that has signed this says that it is quite obvious that you wouldn’t want to knock over stacks in qualifying rounds, unless you had to in order to win. Obviously if you’re winning by 100 points with a minute to go, you’ll stay away from their stacks for the extra multiplier. Team 74, allthough not in curie will not make any agreements, because we don’t think it’s a fair way to play the game. Had we made agreements we might not have lost our last 2 qualifying matches, and would have stayed at the #3 seed, instead of dropping to #6. So, even though we lost a better seed, we were happy that the outcomes of the matches reflected the ability of our robot, and that is was done fairly. And if a top 8 team is worried about losing their spot, they should work with their alliance partner to win, othrewise they don’t deserve to be a top 8 seed.
*Originally posted by voltage *
**For some of the people signing this you don’t seem to realize what happens if both stacks are taken out. Both sides get hardly any elimination points and then lose the chance of getting in the top eight. Team 386 will ask to keep both stacks up and will not sign this code of honor because we have had this happen before and the score was 6-1 with us winning but only getting 8 QP’s. I would think twice if I was the teams signing this if I were you.TEAM VOLTAGE **
What is not fair is the 9th seed team that played the game honorably and fairly being denied a chance at the elims because higher seeded teams fixed their matches.
Everybody has a bad round. To quote Kamen “the game isn’t fair”. Get over it. Winning isn’t the whole world.
This is a Code of Honor- a term you used. I agree with your closing- I would think twice about this- and what the term honor means
WC
If all teams play on the same field and same rules then the best teams will be the best teams. By giving yourseves high scores to elevate your ranking does not mean you are the best team, just the most maniplative. I watched the Florida matches and was turned off by the colaberation. I did notice that the winning alliance was one that was not a picker to start out with and only moved up after all of the other teams picked each other. If you can’t play the game to the intent of the game then you do lose out in the long run.
as seen in the west michigan regional, the team that seeded #1 ::cough::… as well as the rest of the top 8 (at least to my knowledge) never had to be involved in a fixed match. by the looks of it 386, the odds of you getting paired with or against a team that DOES sign this code of honor are very high. the best advice i can give you is defend your own stacks if you want to ensure that they stay up.
In the Florida regional(which 386 was at) the matches were being played where the 2 alliances made an agreement to leave each other stacks alone that way win or lose you both get hugh qualifying points, the game is still 2 against 2 not what others said where we had 4 working together. If you don’t make this agreement you go in to the game and the score is like 40-20 and win or lose the match you points are low, we are not trying to get the high score to go in the record books we are just trying to help both sides get good qualifying points because with the agreement the score is like 85-60 and then both teams get real good qualifying points win or lose. As I stated above we won a match 6-1 with only 8 QP’s and ended up dropping from 8th to like 15th even though we won. So if you call it fixing matches go ahead but I don’t think it is wrong…first off in FIRST isn’t it true that you help each other out…I think it is something called gracious professionalism… matter on or off the playing field we are helping the other teams out.
TEAM VOLTAGE 386You can put the Baxter Bomb Squad on the list.
on behalf of team 48 Delphi ELITE, i sign this code of honor… no match fixing here…
*Originally posted by voltage *
So if you call it fixing matches go ahead but I don’t think it is wrong…first off in FIRST isn’t it true that you help each other out…I think it is something called gracious professionalism… matter on or off the playing field we are helping the other teams out.
Not only has FIRST come right out and publicly said that any “rigging of the game” is not in the spirit of the COMPETITION (see the forums), but any team which benefits from this non-competitive attitude would necessarily have their ranking legitimacy questioned.
Also, if my team were picking alliance partners, we would be looking for a proven track record and/or special features that fit well with our robot and strategy to win. Any match where a team fails to knock over a stack that would have resulted in that alliance winning will have their strategical capability questioned, and may be passed over for this reason alone.
Needless to say, my team will not participate in any rigging of the game, in any way, shape, or form. Do not attempt to legitimize it when speaking to my team, for you will be wasting both your time and ours.
*Originally posted by voltage *
**In the Florida regional(which 386 was at) the matches were being played where the 2 alliances made an agreement to leave each other stacks alone that way win or lose you both get hugh qualifying points, the game is still 2 against 2 not what others said where we had 4 working together. If you don’t make this agreement you go in to the game and the score is like 40-20 and win or lose the match you points are low, we are not trying to get the high score to go in the record books we are just trying to help both sides get good qualifying points because with the agreement the score is like 85-60 and then both teams get real good qualifying points win or lose. As I stated above we won a match 6-1 with only 8 QP’s and ended up dropping from 8th to like 15th even though we won. So if you call it fixing matches go ahead but I don’t think it is wrong…first off in FIRST isn’t it true that you help each other out…I think it is something called gracious professionalism… matter on or off the playing field we are helping the other teams out.TEAM VOLTAGE 386 **
I think the thing that you need to realize is that just because a team does not make an agreement does not mean that they will attack the multiplier stacks. Most of us figured out a long time ago that is not the smart way to play this game. The priorities in any match need to be as follows:
1.) Win the match
2.) Leave the opponents with as many points as possible
It is important to keep the priorities above in the correct order.
MattB
Coach
Team 902 - The Delphi Robohawks
Well said !!