Falcon 500 motors are making a noise as they brake during PID oscillation (using only P)

We are testing the PID for our two Falcon 500 motors which operate our flywheel system. ATM I have just P following the Zeigler-Nichols tuning method. Anyway, the PID is braking our motors and it seems to bad for them considering the horrible screeching sound. Currently our motors are in coast mode so I am not really sure where to go from here.
This is the relevant subsystem:
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// the WPILib BSD license file in the root directory of this project.

package frc.robot.subsystems;

import com.ctre.phoenix.motorcontrol.ControlMode;

import com.ctre.phoenix.motorcontrol.FeedbackDevice;

import com.ctre.phoenix.motorcontrol.NeutralMode;

import com.ctre.phoenix.motorcontrol.TalonFXControlMode;

import com.ctre.phoenix.motorcontrol.can.TalonFX;

import edu.wpi.first.networktables.NetworkTable;

import edu.wpi.first.networktables.NetworkTableEntry;

import edu.wpi.first.networktables.NetworkTableInstance;

import edu.wpi.first.wpilibj.Encoder;

import edu.wpi.first.wpilibj.CounterBase.EncodingType;

import edu.wpi.first.wpilibj.smartdashboard.SmartDashboard;

import edu.wpi.first.wpilibj2.command.SubsystemBase;

import frc.robot.Constants;

public class ShooterSubsystem extends SubsystemBase {

private static TalonFX leftShooterMotor = new TalonFX(Constants.SHOOTER_LEFT_MOTOR_PORT);

private static TalonFX rightShooterMotor = new TalonFX(Constants.SHOOTER_RIGHT_MOTOR_PORT);

static double rpm = 0.0;

//limelight isn’t currently doing anything

NetworkTable table = NetworkTableInstance.getDefault().getTable(“limelight”);

NetworkTableEntry ty = table.getEntry(“ty”);

/** Creates a new ShooterSubsystem. */

public ShooterSubsystem() {



double testF = 0.0;

double testP = 1.0;

double testI = 0.0;

double testD = 0.0;

double testError = 100;

SmartDashboard.putNumber("F", testF);

SmartDashboard.putNumber("P", testP);

SmartDashboard.putNumber("I", testI);

SmartDashboard.putNumber("D", testD);

SmartDashboard.putNumber("Error", testError);

//left motor specific stuff

leftShooterMotor.configSelectedFeedbackSensor(FeedbackDevice.IntegratedSensor, Constants.PID_LOOP_IDX, Constants.TIMEOUT_MS);


leftShooterMotor.configNominalOutputForward(0, Constants.TIMEOUT_MS);

leftShooterMotor.configNominalOutputReverse(0, Constants.TIMEOUT_MS);

leftShooterMotor.configPeakOutputForward(Constants.SHOOTER_PEAK_OUTPUT, Constants.TIMEOUT_MS);

leftShooterMotor.configPeakOutputReverse(-Constants.SHOOTER_PEAK_OUTPUT, Constants.TIMEOUT_MS);

leftShooterMotor.configAllowableClosedloopError(Constants.PID_LOOP_IDX, (2048.0 / 600.0) * testError, Constants.TIMEOUT_MS);

leftShooterMotor.config_kF(Constants.PID_LOOP_IDX, testF, Constants.TIMEOUT_MS);  

leftShooterMotor.config_kP(Constants.PID_LOOP_IDX, testP, Constants.TIMEOUT_MS);

leftShooterMotor.config_kI(Constants.PID_LOOP_IDX, testI, Constants.TIMEOUT_MS);

leftShooterMotor.config_kD(Constants.PID_LOOP_IDX, testD, Constants.TIMEOUT_MS);

//right motor specific stuff

rightShooterMotor.configSelectedFeedbackSensor(FeedbackDevice.IntegratedSensor, Constants.PID_LOOP_IDX, Constants.TIMEOUT_MS);


rightShooterMotor.configNominalOutputForward(0, Constants.TIMEOUT_MS);

rightShooterMotor.configNominalOutputReverse(0, Constants.TIMEOUT_MS);

rightShooterMotor.configPeakOutputForward(Constants.SHOOTER_PEAK_OUTPUT, Constants.TIMEOUT_MS);

rightShooterMotor.configPeakOutputReverse(-Constants.SHOOTER_PEAK_OUTPUT, Constants.TIMEOUT_MS);

rightShooterMotor.configAllowableClosedloopError(Constants.PID_LOOP_IDX, (2048.0 / 600.0) * testError, Constants.TIMEOUT_MS);

rightShooterMotor.config_kF(Constants.PID_LOOP_IDX, testF, Constants.TIMEOUT_MS);  

rightShooterMotor.config_kP(Constants.PID_LOOP_IDX, testP, Constants.TIMEOUT_MS);

rightShooterMotor.config_kI(Constants.PID_LOOP_IDX, testI, Constants.TIMEOUT_MS);

rightShooterMotor.config_kD(Constants.PID_LOOP_IDX, testD, Constants.TIMEOUT_MS);



public void periodic() {

// This method will be called once per scheduler run


public void m_TurnOnLimelight(){



public void m_TurnOffLimelight(){



public void m_shoot()


double y = ty.getDouble(0.0);

double heading_error = -y;

rpm = Constants.KP_FLYWHEEL * heading_error; //This will be in a formula later when we have run tests.

rpm = 5000;

SmartDashboard.putNumber("rpm", rpm);

//600 is a modifer to get min to 100 ms and 2048 gets rotations to units

//Right now I'm putting the motors at desired rpm for testing purposes 6380 or whatever number is after (2048 / 600) will change to rpm

leftShooterMotor.set(TalonFXControlMode.Velocity, (2048.0 / 600.0) * rpm);

rightShooterMotor.set(TalonFXControlMode.Velocity, -((2048.0 / 600.0) * rpm));

SmartDashboard.putNumber(“RPM”, ((600.0 * leftShooterMotor.getSelectedSensorVelocity()) / 2048.0));

String motorState;

if(leftShooterMotor.getSelectedSensorVelocity(Constants.PID_LOOP_IDX) > 0){

 motorState = "forward";

}else if(leftShooterMotor.getSelectedSensorVelocity(Constants.PID_LOOP_IDX) == 0){

 motorState = "stopped";


 motorState = "reverse";


SmartDashboard.putString(“Motor State”, motorState);


public void m_stopSpinning()


leftShooterMotor.set(TalonFXControlMode.PercentOutput, 0.0);//it's a stray number but you can tell it makes the motor spin at 0%

rightShooterMotor.set(TalonFXControlMode.PercentOutput, 0.0);


public void m_zeroEncoder(){




public double m_getPosition(){

return leftShooterMotor.getSelectedSensorPosition();


And relevant constants:
public static int PID_LOOP_IDX = 0;

public static int TIMEOUT_MS = 5;

public static boolean PHASE_SENSOR = true;

public static boolean INVERTED = true;

public static double SHOOTER_P = 2.3;

public static double SHOOTER_I = 0.00002;

public static double SHOOTER_D = 0.6;

public static double SHOOTER_F = 0.0;

public static int SHOOTER_I_ZONE = 0;

public static double SHOOTER_PEAK_OUTPUT = 1.0;

public static int SHOOTER_ERROR = 60;

Thank y’all so much for any and all help!!

It might just be the buzzer built into the falcon which activates when it’s stalled. This can happen if you’re applying a small amount of current to your motor, but it’s not enough to overcome friction and get it to actually move.

I would actually recommend starting with a feedforwards value for flywheel rpm control. Once you’ve found a value that gets you close-ish to your target RPM, you can start to introduce a proportional value.

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Probably just stalling it. You won’t hurt it at low outputs.

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Here’s the steps that I would take:
Set one motor to coast mode, set another motor to a small output, see if you get that stalling noise.

If you get a stalling noise, there is prolly something mechanical preventing rotation for your motors.

Next, instead of running two different outputs to your motors, you can technically set one motor to an “opposite” follower of the other. Ctre has some documentation on how to do this.

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