Falcon Vs NEO

Seems Falcon 500 won’t be available indefinitely And NEO may release newer version! What approach to take when transition to swerve …. We do have 7 Falcons so there is incentive to stay with Falcons But we can’t count on them BUT buying 16 NEOs and for 2 drive bases seems steep jump :man_shrugging: catch22 !!! What approach would benefit team?

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With some software trickery you could use falcons for drive motors and Neos for steering

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With SDS MK4is! Please explain

It’s about $220 more for NEOs instead of Falcons. Then you also have 7 Falcons you can use elsewhere.
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It also seems like NEOs are going to come back into stock before falcons.

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True. But NEOs are also unavailable . NEO next version make it murkier…Hypothetically we get d motors of NEOs as available…then we may end up with clusters of falcons , current NEO and future NEOs so some think it’s better to wait BUT Rev and CTR have no clear communication make it difficult to decide so asking here to get thoughts

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If you find that you don’t need your falcons anymore, my team is willing to buy them for full price. Dm me if interested

I’ll also ask the question: You are aware of the non-technical issues with IFI/VEX, correct? And if you are, you should probably be asking within your team if it matters.

(And no, I’m not talking about the lack of Falcon quality control here.)

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I mean you’re out of stock on both right now so it’s kind of hypothetical for everything. I’d also speculate that the NEOs will be back in stock first. You’re pretty much stuck waiting for information anyways so I’d more focus on defining your criteria to make your decision and have a method of communication between the people making the decision and the person with the credit card that will be as fast as possible.

Also, just realized you’re talking about Mk4is. In that case you may want NEOs for your turning motors anyways because the new Falcons are 3/8" longer so your motor controller would be exposed (I’m pretty sure you can shorten the spacers enough to get the new Falcons protected by the bottom plate for the drive motors, although I haven’t tried it).

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Apologies I am unaware of the issues ! Any link?

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No intention of selling falcons sorry

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I can second this. I would recommend having all swerve modules be the same across both chassis (if I’m reading that right, you want two chassises). This will make it easier for your code team.

it looks like you are going to have 8 modules (2 chassis x 4 modules), which means you should put your falcons elsewhere.

Manipulators perhaps… or depending on game tank drive

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You would have to deal with multiple apis but the mounting holes are the same and both fit underneath, the only other thing is needing different pinions

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I believe the OP wants two chassises, and they only have 7 falcons.
this would mean that one module would be different from the rest. (8 modules total).

For the code team, please don’t have a swerve drive where one modules is different than the rest. Programming swerve doesn’t need to be any harder

If you want one swerve drivetrain and one tank/other drivetrain, this would work.

Also the (pinions I believe) for falcons and neos are different. I’m not sure what the best solution would be for a “hybrid” module

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I should have said something earlier, but I DM’d that one and two others so as not to derail this thread.

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I believe the best solution would generally be Falcons for drive and NEOs for turning ( same motor for same function and weaker* motor for turning). At least as far as SDS, the two pinions that come in a module are identical so you just order half of your modules as NEO modules and half as Falcon modules.

*claims of comparative strength may be overstated

Sorry if that my previous posts weren’t very clear, but the problem isn’t that one motor is more powerful than the other, it is that if the OP wants to make two chassis, one module will have two neos instead of one falcon and one neo. This will make code much more complicated–it is possible, but I wouldn’t recommend it

also, this could be another option

OP would just buy another falcon, if I’m not mistaken. However, they will also need spares so I’m not sure what they would do about that.