[FF]: 2009 Season Long FF

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#241

If you want to know the rules, all you have to do is ask. We don’t care how big the lists are, just that they are present. (I know I’ll take someone saying “Just give me random teams” as a list–the point is to show that you are still an active participant.) Points are awarded according to the FF standard system–2 points for a win, 1 for a tie, -2 for a loss, anywhere between 2 and 42 points for an award, depending on award; seeding has a slightly different range.

It will eventually be nearly impossible for humans to run this. There is a FF addition to CD in the works, but it’s been that way for a while now. There is another system in the works as well.

I don’t know if your system would work. I do know I wouldn’t want to run it. However, as has been previously noted, if you don’t like the current Season Long, make your own Season Long with your own rules and have fun.

#242

You do realize that research for the list is not hard, I chugged out all 40 or 50 something over thanksgiving break. Also you will not eliminate someone getting a rookie team they do not know, you still get someone at the bottom. I suggest you actually try and you will find this is not bad.

#243

This is simply one variation of FF, and it is most notably the one that takes the largest time dedication and most skill (especially since the rules have been revised since last year). It is, however, not the only league or the only way to run the game.

This is the only one that is run before the season actually begins, you can expect to see many the week before each regional. This is when more information is known for each team, and you can select which regional in which you would like to participate.

It is not the only form of scoring, the commissioner of the draft puts their own weights on awards.

Other variations to FF:

  • Pick a limited number of teams for the entire season
  • Pick teams for one regional
  • “Free for all” style, where you post what three teams you want on a first come first serve basis, and no one else can pick the same combo.
  • “Week long” where you are picking 2 teams for all regionals of that week at the same time

I enjoy participating in this style. It forces me to learn more about every team and every regional, and I know I am playing against some of the most dedicated and most informed scouters in all of FIRST. I believe this draft is being VERY well run and am stunned by its efficiency when there are only 2 people doing the entire thing. Are there mistakes? Sure, it is done by humans by hand. The more active a player is, the better one can help minimize mistakes. This is simply the League Ed started, chooses to run, by his rules. I signed up to play because I agree to those rules.

If I have time during the competition season, I may start a different “week long” league by my own rules, and perhaps recruit some help. If one would like to play by different rules, I encourage them to start his or her own league as well, heck I’ll probably play if you do.

Now that is out of the way, it couldn’t hurt to have this on page 17

SDec 20 Waterloo Regional
SDec 21 Colorado Regional
MDec 22 Connecticut Regional
TDec 23 Greater Toronto Regional
WDec 24 Hawaii Regional
FDec 26Las Vegas Regional , West Michigan FIRST Robotics District Competition
SDec 27Lone Star Regional ,Troy FIRST Robotics District Competition
SDec 28Microsoft Seattle Regional , Palmetto Regional
MDec 29Sacramento Regional
TDec 30SBPLI Long Island Regional
WDec 31Minnesota 10000 Lakes Regional
FJan 2Minnesota North Star Regional

By the way, I am in Oklahoma now, and have the time and willingness to help if needed.

#244

Again, I’m not saying this system is bad. I’m saying that you can get similar experence or enjoyment factor with a different system where you only pick 20 teams (opposed 150 or so). I also think more people will join if they only have to pick 20 teams. Maybe my proposal better for the causual fan, who doesn’t want to create 50 lists or doesn’t have the time, opposed to the hard-core fan. I just think this current system is too daunting and scares too many people, who probably would enjoy FF, away.

#245

And again I’m saying if people want to do it then they’re free to do it. Just because I’m not doing it doesn’t mean it’s not going to happen, it just means I’m not interested in doing it.

#246

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#247

This is about teams with registration later than the draft for a particular regional.

I think that in those cases, a first come first get base isn’t quite fair.

Idea: go according to the draft, and only if all the people before a selected choice agree, it may go. This way, the draft remains even, though it’s a lot of work, which i am willing to take.

Ed and Eric, it’s your call.

#248

I disagree, it should not be more work on the drafters if a team joins after the deadline. First come first serve treats everyone fairly because we can all look to see if a new team has joined. Any team that joins after the deadline but before the draft, like right now for the Waterloo Regional, should still be part of the draft.

#249

I think first come first served is more than fair.
just make a point to check every once in a while to see if any new teams have joined any regionals, that’s all.
Why would you think it’s not fair?

#250

Btw, I may have missed this discussion (or forgotten) from the beginning, but what was the reason for having the lists all picked before Kickoff?
Just curious.

#251

Because we all have more important things to do during build season.

#252

And it’s more fun to do it off of previous rankings without any input of the mew game or any team’s status. The only thing that could make it better is if the lists got locked January 2nd.

#253

That would suck if it got locked. lol
I need to go back & trade on some picks on nights I missed on one of these days.

#254

Has Stephi Rae made a pick yet or is he booted?

#255

Stephi Rae has been dropped from the league due to chronic absenteeism.
Her picks are on a first come first served basis.

#256

thanks

#257

Is there a fast way to check if any new teams registered for a given regional?

#258

Know how many there were, subtract the number there are now, is the answer zero? that is also pronounced “no”

#259

Not that I know of. The old way FIRST used to list teams on the waitlist would have helped but now that’s a big secret that they apparently think is nobody’s business but their own. So outside of just realizing that there are more teams there and scanning over the ist for the new team there really is no way to know exactly who is there without a thorough investigation.
Yet another reason for an automatic interface.

#260

For those who have been complaining about this I ask you: When would you think you could get a good idea about a team? When they start posting an endless parade of vague spoilers? The best teams don’t even let anyone see their robot til Thursday of the initial competition! Or days before the competition begins when everyone is busy prepping to go and don’t have time to participate in a bunch of drafts.
Fantasy FIRST is not the NFL, NBA, MLB or NHL where the game is the same year after year after year. We get a whole new game with brand new machines made from scratch and we all have learned what looks good in the shop doesn’t mean it’s gonna perform on the field. So you’re speculating anyways so you might as well do it in December whens there’s nothing better to do while your waiting for kickoff (except for participating in the insane task of trying to figure out the game committees vexing riddles). So this is the best it gets guys. Deal with it.