[FF]: [FF]: Kettering Kickoff 2010

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#64

I was recently made aware that Team 469, Las Guerrillas, Einstein Finalists, will be attending Kettering Kickoff. Now, if added to the pool as would be normal, there would be cries of “unfair!” As a matter of fact, Clinton would already have traded for them.

But that’s pretty unfair. he knew it, and let me know.

So after some careful consideration, we’ll be holding a silent auction ending Thursday night at 9 pm. You bid with your current draft spots. The 1st overall pick is worth 36 (2nd pick 35, 3rd pick 34, etc.), the bottom pick is worth 4. You may only bid full teams (not half of the 1st overall and 2/3 of whatever else). The winner will lose the picks be bid, and those teams will leave the draft but will not enter the pool, they’d be gone. Yes, this means rtfgnow has more overall bidding power than anyone else. I consider disallowing players who missed their turns, but I figured if they didn’t show up then, they won’t show up now. And if they show up now, then we’re rewarding improvement.

Consider that 469 lost at MARC, which had comparable depth of field to KK. Also consider that even complete dominance isn’t going to be scored much higher than a team’s alliance partners.

Go!

P.S. If you’re a skimmer, just read the bold.

#65

So we get to see who bid what right?

Anyway I’ll start the bidding with the very last pick of the draft.

#66

And I hereby use the 2nd last pick of the draft for 469.

@Chrisisme, I have the app. I’ll try to run stuff tomorrow, see if I can get it online tomorrow as well.

#67

I’d be willing to trade my 1st pick spot for 469 (28 points).

#68

You may bid more than one pick, just add up the points. Note that you will lose both teams, so be careful. Be sure to note how many points your bids are (count down from 36 if you’re unsure).

@Chris Yeah, just post your bids here. Like a silent auction, you can see the bidding sheet.

#69

Do I understand correctly that I could put up all my teams and get 469 and two of 302 314 468 1506 1946?

This is a request of confirmation, it is not a bid.

#70

I’ll do my last two picks, which should total 29 points.

Sorry Zach.

-Clinton-

#71

Thats my bid!

#72

I considered this for a bit, and I have to say no. If you trade away 2 teams for one, you may not acquire any teams from the pool (though you may trade).

Why? By trading away those three teams in exchange for that one, you’re saying that those three teams are worth that one team, so you would have the (rough) equivalent of three teams.

#73

[strike]I am still waiting on confirmation that I can get two teams off the wait list if I put up all 65 points.

Still not a bid.[/strike]

Thank you for the confirmation. I am not going to bid away 217, therefore I am out of the bidding (the sum of my other two teams would tie the current high bid).

#74

(I have to say I thought that’d happen… Are you sure? If so, count up the points, and post that)

#75

I’ll laugh if it’s revealed that 469 SawZalled off the top of their robot and just decided to be a regular midfielder after IRI.

#76

I’m sure. 53 points.

#77

I’ll trade my first and last pick (1243 and 1189) for 469. That’s 31 points.

#78

I’m not sure if I like the system. It just rewards who got higher in the draft, or worse who didn’t show up. Realistically only a first round pick could possibly outscore 469, and if you have weak enough back picks there’s a solid chance 469 could outscore all 3, or at least get close enough to not count. Plus there’s no penalty for dropping a good team, since those points effectively “die”.

#79

Per Basel and my conversation, I’m not a fan either. However, I’m not the one running the draft, and there were other solutions talked about for this, but ultimately, it did come down to Basel’s choice for which one to implement.

However I do agree, it only favors those who got a high pick in the draft. Players who got to pick earlier would happily trade away their 2nd and 3rd picks, that they acquired from the “picked over” list of teams, while players who picked lower have to hold on to the teams they got to even compete with the higher first picks.

#80

Zach, note that the current highest bid is 53.

I didn’t particularly like the system, but on short notice, I couldn’t think of a more fair one to implement (and at this point I’m not willing to switch).

Thought for the sake of discussion, it is surely a way for a player to make up for previous bad picks or missing the draft. However, there could be a legitimate debate on whether or not that’s even a bad thing. It’s not that bad an idea to allow those who made bad choices in the past a “second chance.”

As for rewarding those who got higher in the draft:

  1. It’s a luck. You weren’t lucky. Neither was I. Sucks for us.
  2. The draft was already like that, and this isn’t a major amplification of the previous effect. In this case, so far 469 isn’t even going to a high-table player.

Certainly it isn’t a perfect system, but to be fair I did consider other solutions, and felt this was the most fair time-sensible solution, and I had no time to work out the kinks.

#81

So does the winner of the 469 “Auction” put their teams back into open play to trade for?

#82

No, they’re out of the draft.

Why? Undoubtedly at least a first round pick will be given up to gain 469. Allowing someone to pick up any of the first-round picks for free (well, third round pick) would heavily unbalance the draft, comparable to allowing 469 to be chosen as such. I don’t feel like that’d be fair, so I’m allowing players to (in my opinion) overpay (or simply outbid each other) for 469.

#83

You could do additional auctions for the remaining teams, maybe.