[FF]: Season Long Waiver Discussion

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#101

I am usually someone that has trouble admitting that they have a big job to do but $@*! thats a lot to go through. Theres already more than 40 waiver requests in without considering the teams James dropped. I am still able to do it but I want to throw out some ideas for simplifying it.

Maybe when a player is dropped their teams go on waiver for 24/48 hours and not the regular until Sunday deal.

Another idea is we go back to the mad rush at a prescribed time. i.e. John’s teams may be picked up starting at 7 pm Tuesday.

What is your input?

Edit: Please don’t not send in a request because of this post. I still want people to be able to get the teams they want.

#102

Where?

Also please put the team number for your third pick.

#103

Hopefully nobody else drops out; I don’t think anybody will at this point. I think that’s what triggered the mass avalanche.

A shortened player drop/boot period is probably a good idea; maybe have an extra day or two in the week where drop/boot waivers are processed (say, Wednesday or Tuesday/Friday). All other waivers would be processed as normal.

The mad rush is just too crazy to have any control on. I guarantee you I know what would happen in Pittsburgh 2 if we did that: Everybody in that tier would be waiting for the time to roll around and then whoever had the itchy trigger finger would win. But whoever’s dealing with the fallout would have to sort through the 5 posts with the same timestamp.

It might also work to start the processing early, but not announce it. A preliminary sort of who’s likely to get what team would make life easier on you.

#104

Pitt-1114-1-2641

#105

I thought the entire point of the waiver system is that the order of the waiver posts does not matter at all.

#106

The suggestion was to go back to the mad rush for picks, but at a given time. Trust me, I’ve been known to have a post written and waiting for the “X has been kicked out.” post so all I had to do was click “Submit Reply” and I had that good team. The waiver system was implemented so that that didn’t happen any more. Now it doesn’t matter if you get it in right after the person drops or right before the waiver closes.

#107

Alex, I would be glad to take the Waiver Wire off your hands if you would like. If you want to hand it off just post here so people know who to send future request to and PM or email me whatever you have so far.

Personally, I have no problem with the mad dash, I’ve gotten way more than my fair share of great teams that way. I thought this may be a way to give more people a crack at some of the good teams that become available so people don’t feel they have to check in every single night (provided they sent lists).

At the end of the drafting season we should definitely review this system and see if it should be kept, changed or scrapped.

#108

I’m fine with keeping the system (I’m all caught up). I am also keeping records so we can review it afterwards.

I think I am one of the people that over profited from the mad dashes. While I was depressed to see the waiver suggestion, I do think it is fairer.

Eric I have had the results ready on Sunday and sometimes Saturday. The problem with that is when people change a pick or their priorities. I usually won’t do it until I am sure no one is getting kicked before Friday. Most of the madness has probably come down now.

#109

way of making it simpler: no special instructions allowed

Example, your list has the following teams ranked
1
2
3
4
5

Currently your list looks like this

JVN…1…4…5

Both 2 and 3 are on waivers

Special instructions “I want 2 to replace 4, and 3 to replace 5. If I don’t get 3, then I’d just like 2 to just replace 5. If I don’t get 2, then I want 3 to replace 5.”

Make you waiver picks one line, no if-then statements.

Suggestion 2: All Posts most be made in the Waivers thread, no PMs. This should reduce the number of posts to only the ones people really feel they need to make. Choose wisely, because you are alerting all others you think X team is worth your time.

While I don’t feel drafts should be frozen immediately, I think we should use mechanisms that curb the urge to want free agents. As I have said before, I also dislike the madrush system. While I have had success at this method, I don’t feel FF should be an every day game, but a game to do when you have time during the week.

#110

On the no special instructions, there are times when they are necessary. For example, I’m trying to replace one of my teams with either of two teams from waivers, so I specify that only one is to be done. But keep them to a minimum; i.e., you want any of 5 teams to replace any of 2 teams, so you specify that…but your 1-1 trades, don’t bother.

Or, the following format, if you’re trying to add/drop multiple teams from a tier:
Add: X, Y, Z (in priority order)
Drop: A, B, C (also in priority order).

Open posts would also cut down on requests–if someone is higher on the list than you are, then there’s a good chance you won’t get team X that they put a claim in for unless they pick up team Y first. But you also want team Y… insert confusion here.

The other factor is that if you think X is worth your time, someone else might try to take them from you by putting in a claim. That’s their prerogative–but if they do it right, they can box you out of a lot of potential points. I can see a way to box the entire draft out of a good team by using a sleeper/dark horse team as a foil. If open posting was mandated, I’d also suggest moving up draft lock times to waiver processing times because of that method.

#111

WPI just gained 40, 190, 195, and some other teams I missed.

#112

Motion to deal with the drops this waiver window and the adds in either the next window or mid week, once that dust settles a bit.

#113

Chris I am working on updating the waiver lists please wait on requests. I try to update it each Friday night.

I will also post teams that drop events but they can wait to be processed tomorrow.

#114

[strike]

BAE 1: 133 172 176 241 319
FLR 1: 174 340 1126 1551 3157 3173
New Jersey: 486 1382 1547 2265 2607 3757 3864
Alamo 1:922 1642 2880 3305 3631
Alamo 2:148 2880 3478 3417
San Diego: 599 968 1540 2029 2485 3021 3476 3477
Kansas City: 525 662 937 1098 1706 1827
WPI 1: 228 1687 3125 3205
WPI 2:467 1735 3044 3280 3499
Lake Superior 1: 2227 2470 2512 2518
Lake Superior 2: 2227 2512 2518 3054
Florida:21 665 945 1027 2556 3556 3622 3790 3854 3873
Wisconsin: Wisconsin: 81 537 868 2830 3362 3418
Pittsburgh 1: 48 291 337 1249 3138 3504 1743
Pittsburgh 2: 48 337 771 1114 1249 2051 3138
New York:870 1230 1257 1796 1811 2265
Israel: 1577 1942 1943 2217 2672 3388
Arizona: 60 1212 1798 1828 2657 3577
Sacramento 1: 2551 3495 2073
Sacramento 2: 2085 2204 2551
Chesapeake: 316 422 686 1111 1195 2912
Boilermaker 2: 447 1555 1741 1760 2040 3814
Peachtree: 442 1795 1999
Traverse 1: 2145 2586 3458
Kettering 1 and 2: 1188

I added in the teams that have joined.

573 left Kettering.
3834 left Alamo.
2334 left GKC.
1038 left Wisconsin.

I only got up to Arizona (by draft date) (including Traverse and Kettering) and I did not get WPI. I will try to get back to it later tonight.[/strike]

We will go through the lists again tomorrow.

#115

That’ll affect Tim Delles in GKC and me in Wisconsin.

Waiver change for Wisconsin for me: drop team becomes 1038 (absent), same add team.

#116

I’m not sure this will help much. The primary driver behind not waivering every single team that’s marginally better is moving down the list. The person with the most waiver claims each week ends up on the bottom of the list for the next week.

All requiring the posts to be public will do is make it so a bunch of people wait until the very last minute to post their requests.

#117

I second Eric’s motion to wait. At least 2 of these lists changed after you went through. 254 and probably others have been added to San Diego and 16 + others in Alamo. Many of the teams that were on waitlists are quite good and you are probably going to end up with claims equal to or greater than dropping another player.

#118

In the rare case of special instructions, pm me so I can reply if I need clarification. Otherwise all submissions have been fine.

#119

I edited the post. We might want to rerun WPI, San Diego and/or Alamo.

#120

I think next year we should start the drafting around December 15th.