FIRST Choice, what did you get?

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#64

Really really wanted those pneumatic solenoid valves. Ah, well. And spikes too. But glad we got the breakers, and we’re flush with micro switches now. Didn’t really need the capacitors, but it appears we came really close to not using up all 600 points…

Here’s what we did get:

0  Solenoid, Double Valve Kit (fc15-013)
2  Pneumatic Pressure Switch (fc15-113) 
5  Micro switch, set of 10 (fc15-017) 
2  Green Ring Light (fc15-033) 
3  Snap Action Breaker Kit (fc15-115) 
0  Spike (fc15-112) 
1  Freelin-Wade Transparent Blue Tubing (fc15-012) 
0  12V Battery (fc15-008) 
1  Battery Charger (fc15-005) 
0  Parker 2014 FC Kit (fc15-067) 
6  Parker Prestolok Straight, 1/8NPT Male to 1/4in tube (10 ct.) (fc15-070)
1  Freelin-Wade Blue Tubing (fc15-010) 
2  Parker Fitting Kit (fc15-065) 
4  Parker Prestolok Elbow, 1/8NPT Male to 1/4in tube (10 ct.) (fc15-068) 	
0  1/2" Hex Shaft Collar (fc15-086) 
0  3/8" Hex Shaft Collar (fc15-084) 	
0  1/2" Shaft Collar (fc15-079) 
0  1/2" x 1/2" Rigid Coupling (fc15-077) 
2  REV Protoboard (fc15-029) 
0  1/4" x 1/4" Beam Coupling (fc15-080) 
0  3/8" x 3/8" Beam Coupling (fc15-081) 
0  Velcro Kit (fc15-036) 
0  Sensor Panel (gyro & accelerometer) (fc15-055) 
0  Freelin-Wade Black Tubing (fc15-009) 
2  Teflon tape (fc15-018) 
5  Igus 2014 Bag (fc15-102) 
2  PCB Toggle Kit (fc15-026) 
2  Ethernet Port Saver (fc15-030) 
0  Power Distribution Board (fc15-054) 
0  Freelin-Wade Red Tubing (fc15-011) 
0  Parker T Fitting, 1/8NPT Female to 1/4in tube (10 ct.) (fc15-066) 
1  Tantalum capacitor kit: Low ESR polymer (fc15-057) 
0  Breadboard (fc15-061)
#65

Kind of off topic, but could someone please correct my understanding of further FIRST Choice opportunities. I was under the assumption that come Kickoff more parts are going to be added to FIRST Choice and multiple hundreds of points were going to be added to each team’s account (I was thinking 1400 for some reason…). Is this remotely true?

I found a blog post stating that additional items would be added, but I couldn’t find anything about additional credits being added. Is that an unknown right now?

#66

Quoting from the FRC blog, “We will be adding parts (and credits) to FIRST Choice at Kickoff. More details on that process will be posted very soon.”

So credits will be added, but I don’t know how many.

#67

On the positive side one of my rookie teams did get their requested solenoids, so I’m feeling good about that.

#68

We just got ours in today. Didn’t get our top two items (Solenoid kit and Batteries) but otherwise we did pretty well. We were fortunate that there wasn’t anything that our team REALLY needed this year. Last year we really needed a new classmate, but this year we’re pretty well stocked.

As the team electrical guy, I was happy to see we got one of those breakout boards for the roboRIO. Planning on building an arduino-powered light controller on it. We also got two victors, which are also always good to have around for non-precise motor applications.

Also, does anyone happen to know if the webcam that they were selling works with the roboRIO? It was second-to-last on our priority list, and we still got one. I know there’s a USB host port on the new controller, so it would seem that, if there is an embedded linux driver available for it for the new system, it’d probably work. If not, suppose we could always hook it up as a shop webcam for our team website.

#69

Yes it does.
The drivers are all there and it just plugs and plays.
There will be example code to demonstrate how it’s used.
We’ve used it quite a bit in testing and just passing the video through to the default dashboard.
We’ve had two hooked up at once.

It only costs about $20.

#70

Our team got a new classmate for our cRIOs (we still have the e09 one that cant even hold labview anymore!) and some other random things that I can not even remember any more.

#71

Quadro cards are already showing up on eBay. Not sure how I feel about that.

#72

For any teams ebaying them…

We’d trade for one, we have lots of stuff… COTS items, we can even machine some for trade.

PM me offers.

#73

Pretty sure Nvidia will slap them with a cease and desist. It’s happened before.

#74

Hmm. I didn’t sign any waver stating what I would do with items received by FIRST Choice. I’m not a lawyer - but since FIRST Choice is provided by FIRST after we pay them our entry fee, it seems to me that we’ve paid for what we’re receiving, regardless of how FIRST got it.

The only reason I bring it up is because I know so many items ARE donated - but FIRST chose (again) to make that item cost only 100 credits rather than the 400 or so that it was worth. There are also still quadros left in FIRST choice for people who need them.

I won’t hold it against anyone who chooses to ebay them, that’s for sure. For a team short on cash $400 can buy quite a bit. I do think trading to teams that can use them like Adam suggested is a much better idea.

#75

We got no batteries out of a possible 2.
We got no CanJaguars out of a possible 4.
We got one solenoid out of a possible 3.
We got 260 used out of 600. And we submitted plenty.

I don’t understand this system. And needless to say I didn’t like it.

#76

All I’m saying is I’m quite certain teams have been contacted by companies who donated product to FIRST Choice and have been told they were going to face legal action if they didn’t stop selling the item they donated.

#77

Do you know of an specific case that has happened? Legal action means you violated a specific law or a contract. Civil actions are expensive. Just getting a lawyer to write a letter is more than the value of the video card. The items are donated to a team. They can do with them what they want. The only item that might be different are the Roborio & Crios. They require licensed software to work. Buried in the terms license agreement might be terms that prevent resale of the software. More likely, and even this is very likely, they would have First contact the team & explain that selling donated product is not in the spirit of the game.

#78

We got some pocket lint, a crumpled stack of chemistry homework, and a bottle labeled “headlight fluid”. I feel kinda ripped off.

#79

Yes, as I have already said twice.

#80

I’m jealous over the headlight fluid. I’ve tried ordering it a couple times from Andy Mark and all I’ve been sent is blinker fluid, which is not compatible. I think that’s why they finally pulled it from the site.

I’ve had better luck from ebay though:

#81

We are talking First Choice Items? Some detail would be nice. :]

Anyway. I just got the pack/ship notice for the FirstChoice items I received yesterday. I guess the Quantum Phase Shift Device (QPSD) I ordered got bumped on. Nice to know it works.

#82

Teams have received cease and desist letters from NVIDIA legal for attempting to sell graphics cards on ebay received via FIRST choice.

Is the property technically yours, with not strings attached? I don’t know. Maybe if it doesn’t say “not for resale” on it. But surely its not worth finding out whether NVIDIA can actually sue a team for this or not.

#83

They tried to pawn off some elbow grease on me instead, but honestly the market value for that is no where near what it used to be.