At the New England District Championship, the #2 alliance earned themselves the first spot in the 70 point auto club during their first quarterfinals match. 195’s two ball autonomous coupled with a high goal from 125 and a high goal from 2168 resulted in a massive 70 points before teleop even began. Any predictions on how much this club will have grown by the end of St. Louis?
70 point auto can be seen here:
Personally, I think every alliance that wins a championship subdivision/makes it to einstein will be capable of at least a 60 point auto. Who knows, if a subdivision contains two of the amazing 2-high-goal autonomous teams, we may even see an 80 pt auto on Einstein. That’d be terrifying to face.
Eh. Not enough teams with 2 ball autos, at least not yet. I’ll take the bet that the average Einstein alliance will score, on average, 55 points in auto.
I seriously doubt it will go higher. And honestly, we might not see 70 again.
Worlds has always had a less deep field than district championships, so its pretty unlikely that 3 robots capable of shooting high in auton will find themselves on a high seeded alliance (which is where all the 2 ball auton robots will be). And at most I expect there to be 2 teams in attendance that can do a 2 ball from somewhere other than the low bar. Overall, things would have to line up pretty much perfectly to get an 80 point auton.
That last point is the biggest problem I see. 80 points requires not just TWO two ball autos, but one that can two-ball auto a different defense AND a third bot that can use a third defense.
I hope we see 70 again. Many teams I am sure are back in their shops trying to perfect their code to get it done. We should see more than just 2 teams.
I think we will see 70 again on Einstein for sure. At least one alliance partner will get a two ball auto and the others at least accomplishing the one ball auto (making another 70).
Fair enough. Admittedly, two ball autos are nearly impossible from anywhere besides the low bar. I do still think, though, that second round picks at champs will oftentimes have an autonomous high shot, especially considering how much work some of these teams are putting into perfecting their software. At the very least, robots that were not totally consistent with auto high shots are sure to be working their kinks out for CMP.
At IRI we will see a higher auto. But maybe not before that.
How many teams are there that have a 2 ball auto? So far I’ve only heard of 195, 254, 987, and 1678 successfully doing it.
971
Need to include 971…
Crap…fingers too slow on my laptop. Beat me to it 
Ok, so 5 teams prior to champs. My prediction is that we’ll see around a dozen teams pull it off in Saint Louis, but only 1 or 2 who can do it from a defense other than the low bar.
A second two ball auto is feasible with the Portcullis out. An argument could also be made for the Rough Terrain, and I’ve heard some say the Rock Wall, but Port and Rough are the only two that I can see being done, since they’re by far the smoothest transition.
I do find it funny that, currently, there aren’t enough teams that have demonstrated a two ball for there to be one per division. So either it’s going to be one each or one division is going to be heavily skewed towards the auto side of the match.
And there’s a reasonable chance that an alliance with one (or even two) two ball autos won’t make it to Einstein.
I think it is worth discussing the conundrum the opponent’s to this alliance had for defense picking. After the 70 pt auto, the next match had all of the b and d choices stacked up against the low bar in slots 2 and 3.this did a great job of disrupting the auto by having the robots all crowded together, but also opened up a Lane for 195’s excellent human player.
And because of how audience selection goes, their opponents in the semifinals didn’t have this option of crowding the auto.
I think in the end, the only defense against this combination would be to crowd them together in autonomous, but then also dedicate a robot to blocking the bowler.
A tremendous congratulations to 195 for getting their two ball auto working… it’s an exceptionally difficult feat!
I think the vast majority of teams underestimate how difficult it is (this coming from a team that usually ‘specializes’ in auto, with things like a 5-ball auto in 2010, 4-ball auto in 2012, and 3-tote stack in 2015). Our robot quite frankly can’t support the speed of actions necessary to make it work through the low bar. Not to mention that the two-ball auto almost neccessitates more unique driving patterns than many other “top notch autos” from previous seasons.
As such, I definitely do not expect to see as many as 12 2-ball autos working at CMP. Perhaps as many as 12 teams attempting it… but there’s a lot that separates a success from an attempt in this case!
I’m glad our conundrum didn’t slip by you.
We did very much like the defensive selection that 558’s alliance developed in quarter finals against 195-125-2168… it constrained their autonomous routines to be clustered together and made the slot 2 auto a particularly difficult angle. Unfortunately though, the Drawbridge was the audience selection in semifinals, so that was locked into slot 3. If it weren’t, we could’ve done either the same setup as QFs, or we could’ve placed Slot2: Drawbridge, Slot3: Portcullis, Slot4: Rock Wall, Slot5: Ramparts (which would’ve prevented the HP-courtyard throughway 195’s HP maximized).
An astute observer would have noticed though, that although 195 was able to roll as many as 10 balls through to the courtyard in SF2-2 (replay 2), they weren’t nearly as proficient in QF3-2, SF2-1, SF2-2 (original), or SF2-1 (replay 1). I think as a benchmark SF2-1 had two successful bowls to the courtyard… which I think speaks even more to the 195 HP’s skill, because he became so proficient at it so fast!
An astute observer also would have noticed that after our SF2-2 auto scores were accepted, when SF2-3 was being set up (before SF2-2 was declared a field fault), we had changed the Defenses to prevent 195’s highly capable HP… I believe we had Slot2: Portcullis, Slot3: Drawbridge, Slot4: Ramparts, Slot5: Rock Wall. Unfortunately for our alliance though, when SF2-2 was ruled a field fault and was replayed, we had to return to the Defense arrangement that 195’s skilled HP loved.
Kudos to an alliance that makes you try to pick Defenses based off a killer autonomous and a tremendous HP… not just teleop cycling!
I still don’t understand how he’s able to consistently curve the ball over any passive defense/cheval de frise. He’s even been practicing curving it directly out of the right of the secret passage, over our own first slot defense for it to roll over the third slot defense on the opponent’s side. Dude’s crazy.
With 67s design, a 2 ball auto probably isn’t out of question. Hope to see them get it going.
This! Once we pulled it off in our first quarterfinal match, we were all out of our seat. But the first thing we said was that won’t ever happen again.
If teams pay attention to their scouting data, they can make 70-pt autos seldom to appear again at champs by selecting defenses as was done in later matches at NE to cluster all alliance teams towards the low bar.
After that 70-pt auto match, in later matches you can see 125, and 2168, tweaking their auto routines in order to prevent being effected by the defense cluster as much and giving 195 as much a change to pull of the 2-ball as possible. But after the 70-pt auto, in all of the matches we played after quarter finals. I think we had many 50-pt autos and a 40-pt auto.
Not saying its impossible, but smart alliances will do everything from preventing an opponent alliance with even the chance of doing a 70-pt auto.
On another note - 1519, 230, and 176 proved that even with a 50-pt auto, you can set the world high score.
Took all week but we finally made another 70 point auto on Einstein QF2-2.
Thank you to our partners 987 and 1197.