FIRST Global Mexico elimination tournament

El día de ayer FIRST México publicó en su perfil de Facebook un texto donde menciona los “criterios” y los equipos que fueron invitados a la eliminatoria de FIRST Global este año, posterior a esto algunos usuarios empezaron a comentar la publicación haciendo diferentes cuestionamientos, muchos de los comentarios han sido ocultados sin respuesta alguna, es por esto que abro este hilo para que puedan expresar las dudas que tengan sobre la eliminatoria con la esperanza de que en FIRST Mexico pueda responder estas dudas pronto y asi promover el apoyo a la eliminatoria, a los equipos que participan en ella y al equipo que represente a México en FIRST Global 2024

La publicación original incluía lo siguiente:

“Como saben, cada año celebramos los logros de todos los equipos en los diferentes eventos celebrados en la temporada, y que culmina con el FIRST Championship celebrado en Houston.

Nuestra misión y valores se centran en promover mayores oportunidades y acceso a más niñ@s y jóvenes a actividades en STEAM pero siempre con compromiso social, con valores centrados en ética, profesionalismo , respeto, comunidad. Nuestro valor central - Gracious Professionalism - nos guía en el que hacer diario.

Cada año en otoño se celebra un programa hermano creado por nuestro fundador Dean Kamen en 2017, llamado FIRST Global , en un certamen tipo olimpiadas con un equipo por país. En México desde 2017 realizamos un torneo de selección entre los equipos de las categorías de jóvenes de FTC y FRC de México, que durante la temporada obtuvieron los mayores reconocimientos en las áreas de atributos de robot (Machine ) y de equipo /Team Attributes) con mayor impacto social en los torneos celebrados en México citados a continuación:

FIRST Laguna Regional 2024, Regional FRC Monterrey 2024, Regional FRC Hermosillo 2024 y el Campeonato FTC México 2023

La convocatoria es para representar a México como equipo representativo Team México FGC en la competencia FIRST Global Challenge a celebrarse en Atenas en septiembre 2024.

Mayor información directamente a los coaches principales de cada equipo.

Los equipos invitados a confirmar su participación en este torneo de selección el día 8 de junio son:

Campeonato Nacional FTC México 2023

Inspire Award 23898 Prepa Tecmilenio Amazonas

Captain Winning Alliance 16255 Minerva Warriors

Connect Award 24019 PrepaTec Sinavolt

Regional FRC Monterrey 2024

Regional FIRST Impact Award 4400 Cerbotics 4400

Gracious Professionalism Award 4775 Aztech Robotics

Regional Winners Alliance Captain 7421 PrepaTec Overture

Regional FRC Hermosillo 2024

Regional FIRST Impact Award 5705 Desert Eagles 5705

Gracious Professionalism Award 5887 PrepaTec Imperator

Regional Winners Alliance Captain 6647 PrepaTec VOLTEC

Regional FRC FIRST Laguna Regional 2024

Regional FIRST Impact Award 9120 Silverbot Fresnillo PLC

Gracious Professionalism Award 7018 Eolotics 7018

Regional Winners Alliance Captain Cerbotics 4400”

FIRST Global Video

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Iremos publicando los comentarios que nos compartan que han ido borrando

Comentario eliminado:
“Hola FIRST Mexico, Cerbotics aparece 2 veces en el listado, quedaria Botbusters en el slot alianza de Laguna no?”

Otro comentario eliminado:
“ Hola FIRST Mexico, tengo la misma duda, no debería Botbusters quedar en el slot alianza de
Laguna?”

Otro comentario eliminado:
“ Quisiera expresar mi descontento con los criterios usados para seleccionar a los equipos que representarán a México en el FIRST Global Challenge. No es posible que se utilicen criterios tan limitados y poco serios para una competencia tan importante. Además, es injusto que se excluyan equipos que han ganado en competencias fuera de México, como Lambot.

FIRST México debe establecer criterios más claros y justos para hacer una selección que realmente refleje el talento de nuestros equipos.

La forma actual de seleccionar no solo es injusta, sino que también parece desorganizada y poco profesional. Les pido que revisen y mejoren estos criterios para asegurar que México esté representado por los mejores equipos, con un proceso transparente y equitativo.

Es imperativo que el compromiso con la excelencia y el profesionalismo se refleje en todas las etapas de selección.”

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Otro comentario eliminado:
“ a veces uno se saca de onda en verdad”

Otro comentario eliminado:

“La fábula de los cangrejos“

My Spanish is a little rusty so I used Google translate for a bit of this but the TL/DR:

FIRST Mexico published the list of teams that would be invited to attend a tournament to decide who would represent Mexico at FIRST Global.

The list was the teams who were the Inspire Award, Connect Award and Winning Alliance Captain from the Mexico FTC Championship. As well as the winning Alliance Captain, Impact Award and Gracious Professionalism Award from the 3 Mexican FRC Regionals.

These criteria have been met with backlash and FIRST Mexico has deleted the comments asking for clarification/explanation.

The most comments appear to be:

  • 4400 is taking up two slots due to being the impact winner of Monterrey and the Captain in Laguna. In the past when this has happened they apparently would extend an invite to 4635 who was the first pick of 4400 in Laguna but did not this year.
  • Engineering Inspiration not being selected as one of the awards to qualify from FRC but Gracious Professionalism is
  • 3478 being overlooked for not winning a Mexico regional but Bayou as well as making a run all the way to division finals on Newton as a captain
  • The overall small number of FTC teams compared to FRC teams
  • The connect award being chosen over Inspire 2nd, 3rd or Think Award

There is also a rendition of the Allegory of the Crabs in the most recent post that I am not going to translate because I don’t want that to be something in my post history.

If I missed anything let me know.

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I would add that some of the comments that were deleted in the Facebook post and are reposted here are extremely unprofessional, aggressive and overall ungracious. These comments are posted here without the names of the authors, but from what I was able to see, some of these comments came from mentors.

I think it is okay for teams to express their inconformity with the teams selection process, but I don’t think it is okay to discredit a team or group of teams in a very aggressive and untasteful manner.

I have been in FIRST for more than 8 years and I feel very sad to say so, but the culture among FIRST Mexico teams is at its lowest. In a ton of cases, it appears that some teams only know about Gracious Professionalism and Coopertition because “the judges like to hear those things” and not because they truly believe in these values.

Disclaimer: These opinions are my own.

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Hi! As a former mentor, it is concerning to hear that you perceive the culture of FIRST in Mexico to be at its lowest point, especially given your more than 8 years of experience in the competition. This is an opportunity for the entire community, including mentors, students, and organizers, to genuinely practice what “Gracious Professionalism” and “Coopertition” truly mean. Upholding these values is only possible if we also acknowledge the tremendous efforts made by teams that were not nominated. You must understand that the discontent goes beyond discrediting the nominated teams; it is about demanding fair criteria that invite more teams who demonstrated not only technical skills during the competition season but also the purest values of FIRST.

It’s essential to ensure that the criteria for selection are comprehensive and inclusive, allowing for a broader representation of the diverse skills and values within our community :slight_smile:

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It’s curious how you state culture at Mexico is at it’s lowest, when rn FIRST as big as it’s ever been in Mexico. For what I’ve seen, and I’ve been here longer than you have, comments came from multiple teams, a couple of them came from teams that qualified.

Now, if I recall, on last year elimintation event, you were the reason your team got disqualified during finals as the mentors were breaking the elimination rules. And coming here talking about GP, might not be the best example here. Criteria should be even for everyone, during 2019 tournament Botbusters should’ve got 2 places and they didn’t. What’s different now?

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You ask “what’s different now?”

Start by not taking personal and direct shots at other people publicly. If you need to say something to them of that nature, then use private messages at first.


It’s fine to express concerns. I’m not sure I would agree with deleting any comments asking questions, would depend on the phrasing/terminology (AKA: Don’t be a jerk and you should be OK). Once personal attacks start, that to me would be over the line.

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Hola! En que se basan estos criterios? porque muchos de los equipos que están ahí aunque hayan destacado, no veo justo que equipos que destacaron no solo aquí, sino en el el Mundial no estén.

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Hola! estas en lo cierto de no desacreditar a otros equipos, pero la verdad me parece frustrante que equipos que evidentemente tuvieron logros que destacaron mas no se encuentren dentro de los convocados.

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Nadie sabe, nadie entiende, no coincide con el criterio de ningún año anterior. Sería interesante considerar el desempeño en el mundial aunque este nunca ha sido factor de decisión para integrar equipos a la convocatoria, anteriormente hubo finalistas del Chairman’s (ahora impact) y estoy casi seguro que no fueron invitados.

Surgen varias preguntas y nadie las atiende:

-Porque estos premios (Connect y Gracious professionalism)?
-Porque tan pocos equipos de FTC?
-Porque no seguir la convocatoria del año pasado?
-Porque no integrar a los ganadores de los regionales de FTC? (Este año hubo un incremento substancial en los torneos de FTC en México)


Nobody knows, nobody understands, it doesn’t match any criteria from any previous year. It would be quite interesting to consider team achievements/performance at Champs, although in previous years mexico had a chairmans finalist (now impact) and I’m almost certain they weren’t invited to the event.

Some questions arise and nobody has answered them:
-Why this awards (Connect and Gracious Professionalism)
-Why so few FTC teams?
-Why not follow the same criteria as last year?
-Why not integrate regional FTC winners to the criteria? (FTC events in Mexico have substantially increased this season)

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Still haven’t found what’s different now….

The disqualification of the team at the 2023 event is a matter well known in our country. I would love to know if this issue was brought to him privately first.

I don’t think that stating the truth is a personal attack. Trying to get the moral high ground when you deffinetly have no stance at lecturing people is a no go.

As you said, and you can see in most of the recovered comments are not personal or offensive and it’s intriguing why they are being deleted if there is a “clear path” in the decisions taken by FIRST Mexico

Solo se está diciendo la verdad. La eliminatoria pasada es lo que paso, un equipo descalificado por qué los coaches/mentores no siguieron las reglas. Y solo fue porque los equipos no se dejaron, no se dejaron de algo evidente que la mala organización no quería ver.

Y la diferencia es que se ve un claro favoritismo. Y no se está dudando de que los miembros del equipo sean talentosos, se cuestiona la manera en que se selecciona al equipo que representa a México.

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Además el punto es porque no explican esa selección? Porque borran mensajes de los equipos y no los responden? Es más fácil borrar y hacer que las cosas no pasaron para seguir manipulando a conveniencia.

The complaint was that Gracious Professionalism and Sportsmanship (AKA the FIRST way of doing things) seems to be at an all-time low. Case in point, someone saying “You did something stupid two seasons ago and disqualified your alliance, therefore you don’t know what you’re talking about”. If that wasn’t the sort of thing y’all would say a few seasons back, then consider his point proven.

We are not in the same country. The fact that it is well known in Mexico doesn’t mean that news crossed the Rio Grande at any point between the time it happened and a couple hours ago. If you want to bring me up to speed, DMs are open. (Though I will say that if it wasn’t a conduct rule being violated, I’ll be sure to point that out as that fact would completely undermine the statements made in this thread.)

There are ways to tell someone they have issues without resorting to public shaming. For example, if your fly is open, I could mention something in passing to you privately about how “it must be nice to feel that breeze, no?” Or I could get on a megaphone and say “Juan, your [dirty word] is showing”. I get the feeling you don’t want the second.

By saying “you were the reason–not the best example–I’ve been here longer than you” and “you have no stance at lecturing–trying to get the moral high ground”, that’s more of an aggressive “shut up, hypocrite” attack-type talk. At least to my take. A better way might be to ask “Weren’t you the guy that got a [conduct] red card a couple years back?” This doesn’t say “you have no grounds”–it just pulls the rug out from under what they say unless they then come back and say they’ve learned better. Even then, it adds some doubt.


I do agree that there’s something up with the comments. Most of them are simply asking for clarification on the process; some transparency is definitely to be desired here. Even just a clear-ish process. I suspect there’s a message trying to be sent with the selections, but what I don’t know. And why the questions of “what’s going on” are being deleted.

Something for all y’all to consider, possibly for the near future: The transparency we all get from FIRST HQ was something that had to be “fought” for, some years back. When you follow the link, note the 10th name in the list of signers… there was some rather opaque dealings going on back then, and a lot of people said essentially “we need more info”. Cut to 15 seasons later and FIRST HQ is essentially giving us info as soon as it’s able to be officially confirmed and locked in. Maybe a similar letter might be in order?

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Oh, seems I might’ve got lost in translation with the What’s different now, my question was towards the current situation in which there’s one team that has 2 slots and there was a same situation during 2019 and 2022 in which Botbusters should’ve gotten 2 slots but the org didn’t allow it. So why is it being treated differently this time? Why was it allowed this time but denied twice in the past?

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