Posted by Jason Morrella at 04/27/2001 3:07 AM EST
Coach on team #254, Cheesy Poofs, from Bellarmine College Prep & others and NASA Ames/Cypress Semiconductor/Unity Care.
In Reply to: Re: I see it EVEN MORE differently
Posted by Dan on 04/26/2001 9:05 PM EST:
: Jason…I respect you a lot, but I really disagree with you on this one. BattleBots is not FIRST’s evil arch nemesis. They’re really both great.
I absolutely respect the views of those who defend battle bots - but please don’t put words in my mouth. If you read my post again, NEVER did I in any way refer to Battle Bots as “FIRST’s evil arch nemesis.” My quote was “there is nothing wrong with Battle Bots, it just has different goals & values than FIRST”
Battle Bots is no more a threat to FIRST as destruction derbys (which is essentially what Battle Bots is). And FIRST is no threat to Battle Bots - in fact Battle Bots owes much of their growth to FIRST -as shown by their copying of the FIRST control system in an attempt to improve their machines and endless attempts of Battle Bots producers to recruit FIRST teams (at FIRST regionals) into their destruction derby.
I know people involved with Battle Bots, and they are good people who I respect. They are doing it solely for fun and as an engineering challenge (but they will all admit it has NOTHING to do with inspiring or teaching kids - it is just a chance for them to build a machine themselves and test it in “combat”, as they have said, against others. And they will all admit it is violent & destructive)
Is Battle Bots an engineering challange? I guess. With the simplicity of strategy, the unlimited resources allowed, and the quality of the robots I have seen - I know that the top FIRST teams in the country would build bots that would dominate battle bots. If they tried - I shudder to think of what Delphi, Wildstang, Beatty, Kingman, and GRT robots would do to battle bots - it would surely be “quick, complete, and violent” destruction of all battle bots.
Our team and our engineers discussed it, but Battle Bots just doesn’t present a challange to us. If it contained a sports like strategy and complexity, instead of just building a “destruction derby car” AND - big AND - if the program was based on redeeming social values instead of violence, destruction, and ridiculous marketing - we would be happy to make it a summer project for our team. It would be fun - and certainly much less stressful, time consuming, and difficult as the FIRST experience - just without the intrinsic rewards.
Again - nothing against Battle Bots. They are two TOTALLY different programs with TOTALLY different objectives - so why is so much time being spent trying to “justify & defend” battle bots, and/or compare it to FIRST. I know FIRST will continue to grow & thrive, and I would not be surprised if Battle Bots does also.