Floor or human player intakes

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I’m in a lot of thought of if a floor or human player intake would be faster in one hand a human player intake won’t take as much effort to get the coral into your system but will a ground intake still be faster

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In most cases a coral pickup from the human player would be faster , although it entirely depends on how you design your robot.

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I think that a human player intake, if designed right, could be as fast if not faster than a ground intake. Not to mention that lining up a ground intake of a coral, which is relatively small requires a) lots of precision and b) desirable orientation

If designed with as much room for error as possible such that the driver has to drive up for just a second to get the coral in the robot, and the coral gets indexed while driving to the reef then it will surely be faster than a ground intake.

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ground, avoid source defense

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I believe human player will be quicker i feel at lower level comps you can always get something from hp and at higher levels people wont drop them. also because its pretty much a one side game cycle times are much quicker

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I believe that human player intakes probably be faster. The coral landing on the floor from the station probably won’t be consistent in the orientation it lands in, which didn’t really matter last year.

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I’m thinking the opposite. Compared to 2023, the game pieces aren’t stationary when loaded by the human player. They have to be dropped somehow, which will require lining up to the station and then the human player has to drop it. Whereas with a ground intake, the game pieces can be rolled onto the field, and with some centering mechanism, the robot can quickly grab and score. This also helps since the coral station is unprotected, and any defense could prevent your robot from getting more coral.

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I’m normally all over floor intakes, but the proximity of the human player to the scoring location has me feeling differently here. Hatch panel floor intakes similarly weren’t amazing in 2019 (though it was much harder to put a hatch panel on the ground on purpose).

Good ground intakes are probably still best, but I think the reduced need for them combined with the relative difficulty of centering this game piece will make them more rare than in other years.

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Human player intake is only faster if you ignore the fact that coral can roll. There’s a slot on the side of the loading station that allows introducing coral in the other rotation, and the human player can use a 2nd piece of corral to forcefully introduce the horizontal coral, allowing it to roll a significant distance, as well as completely bypassing the 1 form of defense that is legal.

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With only one defense bot and two hp stations so close to the reef I don’t see it being that much of a issue.

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From my team experience, we planned on retrieving from the HP last year, but discovered floor pickup to be faster.

The orientation DOES matter for the coral. Unless you have a mechanism to funnel to the same orientation every time, HP retrieval might be the smarter choice.

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I feel like that one defense bot can wreak a lot of havoc on your alliance, both score wise and drive team-panic-do stupid things-panic more wise.

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counterpoint:

(if you pick them up horizontally you don’t need to spend too much time aligning)

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4 piece auto on day 3 is crazy

edit: you also might be able to make it faster(5 peice???) if you score the preload while driving by the diagonal edge of the reef on the way to the hp station so you don’t stop at first.

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I feel like this year human intake would be best, especially since your alliance’s human intake is on the same side as your alliance’s reef.

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Is it physically possible to roll coral from the station to the REEF? Can someone please share of video of a human player trying to do that?

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you can check out 4481’s testings

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One though I had about ground intake is that for auto/teleop, the randomness of the coral dropping might not be such an issue as the human player doesn’t have to worry about the opponent stealing coral and can spam lots of it, letting the driver/vision system pick the most convenient and quick coral to pick up.

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