[FRC Blog] FIRST Championship Updates

Posted on the FRC Blog , 10/25/2023: https://www.firstinspires.org/robotics/frc/blog/2023-2024-first-championship-updates

2024 FIRST® Championship Team Registration Fee

The FIRST ® Championship registration fee is increasing for all FIRST programs for the 2024 season due to rising costs for many aspects associated with hosting a large-scale event. For FIRST ® Robotics Competition, the 2024 FIRST Championship event registration fee is $5,750.

Number of Teams at the Championship

We are reducing the number of FIRST Robotics Competition teams that will be at the FIRST Championship from 624 (the target we had for 2023) to 600. This change gives more space around the practice fields for human and robot movement and maintains our ability to offer teams 10 qualification matches.

2024 FIRST Championship Advancement

The growing number of FIRST Robotics Competition teams and Regional Events is also necessitating a change to FIRST Championship advancement. For 2024, Regional Events will advance 4 teams to the FIRST Championship. The teams automatically qualified will be the winners of the FIRST Impact Award and Engineering Inspiration Award and the Captain and First Pick of the winning alliance.

The Wild Card system will still be used, and the Second Pick of the winning alliance will be the first team in the order for receiving a Wild Card. We are also expanding the Wild Card list to include the teams from the 3rd and 4th place alliances.

If a winning alliance member (either the 2nd pick or the backup team) or Rookie All-Star winner does not receive a Wild Card, the team will be placed on the Priority Waitlist.

Full details on Regional Event advancement are available on the Championship Eligibility page. (This page will be updated soon with allocation for Districts. Those allocations are not done until after registration payment due date November 13.)

Waitlist registration for the 2024 FIRST Championship opens (today!) Thursday, October 26, at noon eastern.

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It wasn’t so long ago that we sent 3 winning robots, the captain of the finalist alliance, impact, EI, and RAS to champs. I know we’re still recovering from COVID, but 4 slots per regional is incredibly disheartening. At least we’re not burning wildcards anymore.

EDIT: ($750 extra × 600 teams) - ($5000 reg fee × 24 teams) = $330,000. I’m very curious to hear where that 1/3rd of a million is going.

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200w

Regionals continue to get the short end of the stick. This is terrible, no good, very bad news.

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This is an incredibly frustrating rule change and it will have a clear negative impact on team growth in the regional system. Regional teams already have a difficult enough time qualifying for the Championship as compared to their district system counterparts. Removing the winning second pick team from automatic qualification is just a further indication of how out of touch HQ leadership is with the challenges of operating an FRC team in less densely populated areas.

Inequitable qualification criteria, plus the increased cost, combined with the continued use of Houston as a championship location putting many of our students at risk makes us seriously consider not attending the championship if we qualify.

Manchester must do better than this, or the program will continue to suffer.

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Finalist Captain has not had an automatic invitation to champs since at least 2010…

1/2 that everybody hated alleviated this problem. (Not enough slots for worlds)

Regional events have had a minimum of 1 wildcard as recently as 2020. Section 11.9.1, under Tournament.

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So, 8 divisions… 24 fewer teams… carry the one… that’s 3 fewer teams per division.
All crowding problems solved. And I can hardly wait to get my hotel room blocks super quick and easy with this decrease in teams!

EDIT: I started a thread in Sept 2021 asking what people thought about attending three regionals, or two regionals and hope for champs as a third, big event. Maybe time to bring that discussion back…

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pending TSwizzle’s touring schedule …

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Depending on the 24 teams left out this could range from 7 students per team to the insane 100+. So potentially somewhere between 84 - 1200 rooms did just open up. Assuming 2 per room to account for adult chaperones and mentors, even 3 per room is 56 - 800 rooms. That’s a couple floors in theory.

This is back of the napkin math. Super rough definitely.

Lower end
(7 x 24 ) / 2 or (7 x 24) / 3

Or upper end

(100 x 24) / 2 or (100 x 24) / 3

Either scenario assumes all 24 teams have the same number of rooms needed per team, and not many teams would send 100 students/mentors to worlds

I was gonna say, assuming 30 people on each team, that’s 720 fewer folks at the event which drew a crowd of 50,000 last year.

1.4% delta seems like noise range to me.

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I get it; I don’t like it and I disagree with it; but I get it.

That said, this makes that 8th seed captain a de facto kingmaker should they win their regional. The difference between a banner and champs vs a banner and no champs is basically a coin flip decision during alliance selection. That’s a tough position to be in.

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Good news for teams in stacked week 5/6 regionals, bad news for everyone else.

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I dont

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*this page already updated for 2024, but RAS was > than Finalist AC last season and the year before.

I can read pretty well, and I swore that Wildcards were going to RAS.

My team is planning to attend 3 regionals this year in hopes of qualifying for champs. At least California usually ends up being a Wildcard Bonanza weeks 5 and 6.

Or we could get gud, but that’s hard man :sweat_smile:

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Not a fan… I can just imagine a “mid rank” team finally winning a regional in early weeks after 10+yrs never getting to champs and not getting a wildcard… I could personally see that being a level of frustration that would haved discouraged me when I was a student from even wanting to continue in FRC… Despite never actually being in FRC to win events…

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Still hate that the entire winning alliance doesn’t get to go to Champs automatically. Does not, will not make any sense.

Remove the financial reward for the Engineering Inspiration Award. Give it instead to the Rookie-All Star Award ($5,000 for a rookie team would probably go a long way), and remove the Engineering Inspiration award from the Championship eligibility criteria. Or swap it in the wildcard list with the winning Alliance 2nd pick.

It’s a fine award but teams that win the event should be given priority in my opinion.

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The regional vs district dichotomy is one of the biggest inequalities facing the program today. Having spent near a decade in the regional system and now a few years in the district system, I truly cannot even begin to express how much easier it is to have a team with healthy performance related goals in the district system.

My students have asked me how regionals differ from our system; when I explain it, they immediately mention how stupid regionals sound.

I urge FIRST HQ to invest time into a complete overhaul of the regional qualification system.

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There is now once again no on-field requirement for half of all automatic bids from regionals to Houston.

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IMO they should have just removed the waitlist entirely. Last year, 25 teams qualified off the priority waitlist from being either Founding and Sustaining, RAS, or open waitlist. Removing that would solve the capacity issue instead of hurting all regional teams.

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