Especially in this year. Years like 2011 are easy in a sense that you can base who is number 1 by total tubes scored/fastest minibot. This season has brought forth a huge dynamic of playing the game with ground pick, autonomous 5 & 7 discs, full court shooting, fast cycles to the human player, quick 10 point hang, quick 30 point hang, 50 point dump, etc. All of which have proven effective strategies for winning regionals but its hard to say what is the number one strategy or number one robot for that matter when everyone brings something different to the table!
I love when people gripe about not being in the top 25 or their rank in the top 25. Its the top 25 of 2500+ robots. Even making it into the top 30-40 is huge!
It’s amazing to here feedback like this. Our team has worked hard for 10 years and have come 2nd countless times. As a senior member of team 1310, I’ve gone through 5 finals against 1114 and 2056 (to lose them all). However, both teams we view as role models and the push us and other Canadian teams to excellence. This year we finally pulled through to advance to the Championships (first time in team history), with help from the wild card and our Waterloo eliminations alliance(610 and 3756).
This year in particular, our team has definitely stepped up our game. Without the help from teachers(due to the Ontario Teachers Work Action), we have relied on the support of our principal and mentors. This has been our most successful season by far and it’s not over yet.
I guess I need to make a comment. I really appreciate the show. I know it takes time and effort to do it and dedication to FIRST so thank you Mike and Justin for doing it. We had great fun last year with you after the little misspelling incident.
Our team was blessed this year to have great students, great mentors, great alumni, and GREAT alliance partners. We learned a lot from competing. It has been wonderful to see our kids inspired.
Top 25 is fun. I learn about teams I never have seen. Last year I was amazed with some of those teams at CMP. Let’s keep it fun. Vote if you wish. Watch the show by all means. Be proud of your teams!!
Banners and rankings are not why we do this. Inspiration is.
You all inspire me … Even after more than a decade of FIRST…
We will see you all in a couple of weeks and renew our friendships and
“Compete like crazy”.
1983 does quite a bit better in this regard:
1983— 25 (95)
But that uses week five data, not week six.
Edit: My mistake, it uses week six data. I assumed it used week 5 because it was posted in the week 5 OPR thread.
Thanks for voting to change that… oh wait… you didn’t. How can you complain that the rankings are garbage when you don’t vote yourself?! Who knows what your vote could have done to the rankings. “Be the change you want to see in the world…”
Justin and I have never claimed that these rankings are anywhere close to official. We have always said, the more voters, the more evened out it will be. We do this for fun; a way to talk robotics throughout the week, a time to share with other FIRST addicts, a way to laugh and have fun on a Wednesday night. The rankings are secondary to all of that.
But in other news. Thank you for all of the support guys. We can’t tell you how much we appreciate all the support and love. It means more than you will ever know. Thanks for giving us a reason to keep going.
More voters would imply more voters from across the country. Maybe the reason why 1983 wasn’t in the top 25 was because there’s not too many voters in the Pacific Northwest. Maybe why Southeastern US teams didn’t get many votes was because of the same reason. People tend to vote based on the teams they’ve seen. Maybe a Northeatern voter hasn’t watched must westcoast events. Maybe our voters are Michigan/MAR heavy. Who knows.
I know I’m not making much sense, but the logic is there. The more voters the better.
I did vote… In the coaches poll… and that was cancelled.
I love the concept of the show, my fault is with the voting process. Even if everyone informed votes, they will be drowned out tenfold by the rest of chiefdelphi. This was very evident in the 2011 rankings comparing the public vs. coaches poll.
You love the concept of the show yet you complain it’s a bunch of uninformed voting. Sounds to me like you don’t like the concept at all. It’s one of the biggest problems with democracy, the uninformed are equal to the informed.
Disclaimer — I agree which is why I don’t even pay much attention to where I rank/don’t rank.
Hey I just wanted to let everyone know I disagree with the voting system for a peer poll that has no real impact and is just for fun, and because of this I’m pretty sure the teams I work on just aren’t going to enter robots next year. Anyone else want to join in? Protest! Protest!
Or we could wait for cooler heads to prevail. This is all just… I just can’t… sigh.
You’re right, I added the words morons because I was thinking it. My apologies. I’ll edit the post.
So you like he idea of a Top25 but not the idea of the uninformed voting on it. How would you suggest ranking them? Numeric methods probably won’t work due to differences in regional strengths. Finding a group of “informed” won’t work since there’s no real defined qualification.
In 2011 a coaches poll was run side by side with the public poll. I forget who all the coaches were, but this concept worked and both top 25’s were displayed.
It’d also be awesome to implement a pure statistical top25 w/ FIM style points that are standardized to cover different # of matches played.
If a public, coach, and statistical ranking were done, a combined ranking of the three could also be done.
Mike/Justin, any chance you could contact the folks you had doing the voting in 2011 and collect lists from them? (or pass the list my way and I’ll do it)
I’ll have the TwentyFour guys work up a FiM style point list, an OPR, and a CCWM list. (Yes Drost, that means you too)
In CFB they just take the ranking from the three systems and average it then use that as your rank.
With the coaches poll in CFB they try to get a wide sampling of coaches from different parts of the country, different skill levels, different play styles etc to get a good sample. This is probably best for FRC too because a lot of coaches don’t have enough time to watch every team in every region, but they will tend to chart their own region well and you’ll get a relative comparison with more well known teams
The data portion seems pretty easy to do with the provided twitter data and someone entering awards.
Get rowdy in chat and you’ll simply get banned. :rolleyes: :eek: