Getting a climb by being upside down?

If you went on your platform at the end of the match and flipped upside down such that your bumpers were more than 12in off the ground, would you be in violation of the bumper rule?

Based on the ways the rules are written, it looks like it’d count.

But, wouldn’t it be easier to push yourself up on your side?

If that was legal or not was going to be my next question. I think it is, and I think it’s easier to see that in the scenario where you’re upside down

This will probably have to see an official Q&A answer. Please find more discussion here: https://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=160966

R24: BUMPERS must be located entirely within the BUMPER ZONE, which is the volume contained between the floor and a virtual horizontal plane 7 in. (~17cm) above the floor in reference to the ROBOT standing normally on a flat floor. BUMPERS do not have to be parallel to the floor.

So it would ‘count’ as a climb, but would also violate the bumper rule and disqualify the robot, which would nullify the points you get for climbing.

Uh, I think you need to recheck the penalties. Try G07.

Adding on to G07 (disabled, not red card), there’s also a word you’re missing in your assessment: normally.

I’d argue upside down isn’t the normal orientation. As a result, the bumpers remain within the bumper zone. This is why a robot isn’t disabled if it tips over and there are rules in place to allow others to try to help right you.

I also wouldn’t be surprised if the interpretation stated your intentional flip shifts the bumper placement and puts you outside of the rules. But, this would be a relatively moot point when you’re disabled on the platform and meeting the letter of rule for a climb.

A rule update was just released, in order to climb you cannot be in contact with the platform. Because of this, an upside-down bot on the platform will not count as a climb. However, if you are on top of another robot who is on the platform, (presumably via ramp) the climb will still count.