GM and its impact on FIRST

Drifting away from the subjet of what car maker makes the best cars… I feel that we will see many FRC teams tighten their belts for this comming year, even if they aren’t a GM team. I know my team (201) has been a GM team for as long as I could remember, and now that we may be losing them we are being extremely careful with our money. So careful that the participation in off season events was on the chopping block. I think we will see many of the teams that go to three or more events maybe only go to two to preserve money. Teams may do this because who knows what company will be the next to go under.

Will the level of play be lowered? Never, even if teams are competing with a fraction of their previous budget.

Just my $0.02

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Yes, you have hit the nail on the head to why I simply CANNOT purchase a GM manufactured car as long as the Federal Government owns a majority share in the company. These are deeply held beliefs in the way capitalism is supposed to work, to have a company owned by the government is something that I cannot support.* To purchase a GM car would go against many of my core beliefs should they emerge from Chapter 11 as a government owned company. I apologize if this offends any of you, it makes me sad, every GM car my family has had has served us well. When I got my first car 2 years ago I only looked at American cars and GM was number one on my list, I ended up with a Saturn, a Saturn I enjoy driving. I don’t dislike GM, Ive never had anything but wonderful experiences with them. I will consider Ford for my next car purchase because I consider them the last American car company.
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While I do greatly appreciate the support from GM I personally believe that GM support for FIRST should have been among the first things shed in order to help preserve jobs. I would rather see a dozen FRC teams fail than to see one American job lost. Of course I understand that even 100 teams with $20,000 budgets would have been a drop in the bucket compared to the losses GM was taking. However, understand that often perception is more important than reality, imagine the response of a GM worker when he just got told he couldn’t come in to work for the next week because it was too expensive to pay him when he sees a dozen kids using GM owned equipment to build what is essentially (to him) a glorified remote control toy. If I had to worry about how I was going to feed myself or my family so some kids can play with their toys I would be pretty ticked off. We have to be careful about what we ask for, teams will need to cut back and trim the fat out of their teams. I expect this year will be one of the slowest growing years for FIRST, most of the growth that does occur will NOT be within the United States either. Many old GM powerhouse teams will be struggling this year because some of them will have to radically change how they do things. Many other teams will struggle because their primary sponsors are suppliers to GM, Delphi springs to mind as another major sponsor here. One downfall of our current system is that everything is linked into everything else, you would think that being a software programmer I couldn’t be jeopardized by a failing in the manufacturing industry but I produce systems for GM suppliers. My point is GM is huge, this will affect our everyday lives for years to come.

Sorry for the novel, now if you will excuse me I am going to put on my safety glasses ::safety:: (Why does he not have a construction helmet on too?) and ride out the comments…

*There are exceptions, obviously some things are just logical to have government run (or at least controlled) Roads, Telecommunications, Utilities are a couple that come to mind.

I don’t like the idea of GM being government owned either, but my point was a little different. I was more commenting on the fact that for a long time we’ve been encouraged to make our elected officials aware of FIRST by say inviting them to a regional or whatnot. I was just musing about whether that will be accomplished through the government owning GM and GM supporting FIRST. Just a thought…

Sponsors come and go, the real impact that FIRST will see is going to be the loss of amazing mentors as GM closes plants and offices that they work at. Many of those mentors are very dedicated to FIRST but they will have to think more about their families and finding work rather then spending time working with a FIRST team. Here is Delaware the GM plant is closing affecting over 500 jobs, I can’t imagine what life is like in some of the towns where the GM plant was the life’s blood of the town.

Speaking strictly from a financial standpoint, a company (such as GM) typically would get tax benefits by supporting a qualifying charity (such as a 501c3 like FIRST) to a monetary extent (it’s been a year since I took tax, I don’t remember off the top of my head, I’ll look it up if you really want me to). To that extent, GM was able to pay fewer US tax dollars by supporting FIRST’s charitable actions. Sorta like, giving them the option of doing the general good things the government wants to do, or picking which good thing they want to do. Additionally, the losses that GM has been taking for the last few years will “earn” them money in the coming years. If my memory serves me correctly, a current NOL (loss) can be applied to income as far as 20 years back, and they will receive back taxes for profitable years. (If a company hasn’t been profitable in that period, or the losses outweigh past gains, it also carries forward, but I won’t get into that)

Now, all of that given as truth, the bankruptcy, because of the extent of government involvement, may make some of those typical financial benefits of charitable support null. Typically (and the likely reason that Fiat bought Chrysler), a bankruptcy does not invalidate the ability to use these losses and charitable deductions, but with the billions in government aid, the media has been making it sound like this won’t be your typical Ch 11 (and since they’re on the conference calls, I’ll trust them).

So, the point of that whole thing is: it has been in GM’s best financial interest to support charities such as FIRST in the past, depending on government restrictions on charitable contributions, it may or may not be in the future

GM will need far fewer engineers now. They have profitable trucks and other large vehicles that Obama is going to obsolete with higher mpg requirements. The Malibu will survive, everything smaller is not competitive, except maybe for rebadged imports such as the Aveo. I predict GM will become a rebadging company for far east manufacturers, if they survive beyond 8 years to a new administration - assuming Obama is reelected, and poor value for $50B of taxpayer money IMO. They could have gone bankrupt 6 months ago and saved us $50B.

Chrysler will become Fiat-Lite. Fiat just came in dead last out of 28 manufacturers in a survey of new car quality in the UK. Their mediocre cars will not sell in the US, so expect more government handouts there too. Study the 1960’s and later history of Austin/Morris to see what the future holds for GM and Chrysler. Poor management, costs too high, epic fail. I had relatives that worked at Austin (later British Leyland etc.) in Longbridge UK. It was a huge site. Went there a couple of weeks ago and it’s a big patch of dirt now. The so called UAW “concessions” are not serious, and who in government is qualified to run a car company? I have a really bad feeling about all of this and hope I’m dead wrong. I currently own a Cadillac and two Chryslers and it looks like they will be my last.

Sad to say but any FIRST teams that are dependent on GM money, need to find a plan B. Possibly nobody yet knows if they will be able to fund FIRST but there is a very clear risk they will not.

Having Chrysler and GM go bankrupt 6 months ago would have been disastrous, recall for a moment all the panic and uncertainty last fall, banks were failing, Bernie Madoff had just been arrested for the largest Ponzi scheme in the world. Imagine if on top of all the chaos two of the largest companies in the country announced that they were going into Chapter 11. Now we are not much better off but people perceive we are slightly more stable, Obama has a plan (like it or not) Part of leading is limiting panic, if in the course of 3 months it is announced that not only are major banks failing, fraud on a global scale, AND 2 massive employers are going bankrupt people will panic. IF GM has to die I would much rather it die a controlled death than a massive, painful one.

Your other points only make me think [citation needed] What concessions? Who said anyone currently in the government will run the companies? Not saying you are wrong but I would like some more facts because you make some very interesting points.

Well on a day like today, this is unexpected:

http://delphi.com/news/pressReleases/pr_2009_06_01_002/

Living in a community where Delphi and GM are two of the the largest employers, this is certainly an unusual day.

I’m personally wondering what’s going to happen to the teams sponsored almost entirely by GM. They’re legendary FIRST teams… who’s going to pick up the tab? Obviously I don’t know their books or how much money they make doing various things (other than T3’s legendary rennisance faire fund drive), but those aren’t teams anyone wants to lose.

Here’s a link to today’s GM press release dealing with the bankruptcy proceedings.

GM announces agreement with US Treasury and Canada Governments

For anyone who’s interested in actually discussing the issue, it’s important that you read the contents of this release to get an idea of what’s actually happening.

Thank You Karthik, now if someone could explain all of this in layman’s terms. I fail to understand how this works, to me it appears as though GM is saying, “This is not the GM you are looking for” to its creditors. On March 31 they had $54.4 billion in consolidated debt and now they have $17 billion in consolidated debt. Now, I KNOW they didn’t pay off all that debt so where did it go?

Also, if I understand this correctly those people that owned stock in GM just got the shaft

And one last question, New VEBA, what is it?

EDIT: Yes, I read the article, I am just confused by it…

As our team has been sponsored by General Motors, I have followed GM’s fortunes with a bit more than passing interest for the past six years. I will add, however, that I have followed this as an interested amateur, rather than a professional financial analyst. What I am posting here is my understanding of the situation – which contains some truth (hopefully!) – but can hardly be regarded as a complete and definitive explanation.

I don’t know how much of the international aspect of GM’s bankruptcy has been covered in the American media, however as shown in the link posted by Karthik, the Canadian and Ontario governments are also a significant part of the current process. I suspect other governments (Germany/Opel, Australia/Holden, etc.) may also be involved. GM is a BIG company, and this is not just an American story.

There have been a number of factors that have contributed to the current situation, not least of which is health care benefits owed to American employees (most Canadian health care costs are a govenment responsibility) and pension benefits owed to workers around the world.

Frankly, I have some sympathy for a company when their main financial problem stems from taking decent care of their employees. Yeah, this wasn’t exactly an act of generousity (see CEO pay packages if you would like an example of that), rather the result of some very challenging labour relations. Nonetheless, I think GM has been a good corporate citizen in many ways, sponsorship of FRC being but one.

Unfortunately, it seems, that the health care and pension funds were not “fully funded”. In other words, there wasn’t enough money in the fund to pay out the benefits that were promised. In Canada and, I believe, the US, it is a government responsibility to establish rules surrounding private pension funds to ensure they are properly costed and funded and the government in Canada, at least, didn’t do a particularly good job in this regard. So I do see that “the government” (keeping in mind that the US, Canadian and Ontario governments at least are involved in North American operations, and other governments with overseas operations) in Canada, at least, was part of the problem and should be part of the solution.

This was compounded by high fuel prices, which caused consumers to switch to more fuel efficient vehicles a year or two before GM was ready for that to happen, a crash in the stock markets – which devalued GM’s pension and health funds, AND the sub-prime mortgage mess in the USA which made it more difficult for people and companies around the world to arrange financing… and if you can’t get financing for your new Pontiac Solstice, then you might not be able to buy it. In short, GM was doing a mighty job of struggling with some serious long-term issues and obligations when it was nailed with an economic “perfect storm” hardly of its own making.

At this stage, therefore, it appears that GM is no longer able to pay all of its debts. Bankruptcy is a natural, and sensible protection for creditors (people who are owed money) to help ensure that a person or company is paid back as much of what they are owed as is possible. It also helps to ensure that people are paid back in the proper order.

By reorganizing GM will have to convince a court that this arrangement provides the maximum benefit for creditors in terms of the amount that they will likely be paid on the debt owing to them over the long term.

As Andrew points out, this means that a lot of debt “disappears”. That is money that GM owes, but simply cannot pay. That sucks for the creditors, but is how bankruptcy works. It isn’t a good thing but, like amputation, is sometimes neccesary. The important part is that GM will be able to pay employees (albeit under slightly different terms), service waranties, continue profitable products (GMC and Chevy trucks will ALWAYS have a market, even if it isn’t as huge as it once was) and introduce new products. GM retirees and those receiving health benefits will also continue to receive benefits… although possibly at a reduced level. Yes, there will be billions of debt left unpaid… but there are also billions of dollars of debt that the new GM will pay off.

As for the shareholders, as Andrew correctly points out, they are the absolutely last priority to be paid. That is because shareholders are owners, as opposed to creditors, and is one of the risks of purchasing stock. So rather than saying that they “get the shaft”, I would suggest that is simply one of the downsides of owning a business when it goes bankrupt… it doesn’t matter if you own GM, or a corner store… if your company goes under, you get what is left after everyone else is paid. On the other hand, bankruptcy is actually part of a framework which protects owners from being personally liable for the debts the company owes.

That is hardly the complete story… but might help explain some of what is going on. Chrysler faced many of the same problems. Ford, I understand, was able to re-finance much of its debt prior to the sub-prime debt crisis in the USA, and also had good earnings from a strong European division, thus avoiding… or at least postponing… a day of reckoning.

My goal is to have our team find some new sponsors, to keep GMC as part of our team name in recognition of all they have done for us, and to be around to work with them when… not IF, but WHEN… they are able to support FRC once again. It may be sooner than we think… they have some great new product coming out.

Phew… I didn’t mean to type that much.

Jason

I believe it is accounted for by “a new Debtor-in-Possession (DIP) financing of approximately $33 billion” mentioned early in the article.

From reading the article and dozens of news reports, this is how it sounds like it’ll all work: (if anyone can clarify or correct any points here, please do)

The “New GM” will buy all the assets of old GM, as well as automatically transfer all employees that aren’t being laid off. The debt owed by old GM is poof, gone. How did it disappear? The US and Canadian governments, as well as UAW and select bondholders “bought” the debt for differing percentages of the “New GM”. The concept of buying debt for [partial] ownership is based around the idea that if reorganized, the company would return to profitability and those which bought the debt would now own a profitable company, which can be used to pay off the debt they incurred. As such, the old GM stock is now poof, gone as well.

The US Feds don’t want to own GM forever, and are seeking to begin selling off their share of the company in a few years as soon as “new GM” returns to profitability to regain the money they lost in “buying” the debt.

Sacrifices will have to be made to enable the company to balance its books, and they will close more plants, lay off more employees, and seek reductions in benefits. These are crucial in order to allow the company to return to profitability.

However, despite all of this, there should be no negative impacts on consumers. GM has dedicated themselves to their customers, current and future, and will honor all warranties, etc. They will also continue to pay all employees through the reorganization period.

Does anyone ever really WANT to lose any FRC team? In this discussion, I think we should be careful not to accidentally tread upon the ashes or smoldering embers of any struggling or previously-folded teams who might not be of the same level of recognition as some the more widely-known GM teams. It is always disappointing when teams lose any financial and/or human support. Many teams have faced the same or worse challenges and have managed to adjust, quietly.

These GM teams are filled with a bunch of skilled, creative, intelligent people who truly care about FIRST. I expect most of their teams will find ways to adapt to any changes that are thrown at them and survive in some form. Some have most likely been proactive enough to have already enacted plans to diversify their mentor and sponsorship bases prior to this bankruptcy announcement.

With facilities closing, merging, idling, etc., it will be difficult for every FRC team under the GM umbrella to survive. Delphi has been playing the bankruptcy game for four years now. A few of our teams have folded during that time. Funding levels for most team have been reduced (and truthfully, they were in decline for many years prior to our bankruptcy in 2005). Many, many key mentors have also been displaced from their jobs, making it especially tough for those affected teams to adapt. BUT, it is important to note, the majority HAVE survived. Teams have accepted the reasoning behind the reduced funding and have adapted without complaint. Delphi thankfully continues to provide some level of support to its teams and is still supportive of its employees and their volunteer efforts.

It would be nice to think that GM will follow a similar path as Delphi here, but it remains to be seen how GM (or the government) will address its FIRST team sponsorships. Regardless of their decisions, it is logical to believe that GM teams will face many challenges in the coming months similar to those which Delphi teams have been facing. If GM elects to cut the majority of funding to teams, it is possible that a few may no longer be able to sustain operations as a result. Those who have depended upon a single large funding and/or mentorship source and have made no plans to diversify prior to now will be especially under a lot of pressure to reinvent their operations in a short amount of time. It will be unfortunate if some teams fail to adapt, but the FIRST community must be ready to accept the real chance this might occur, and it might begin to talk about how it can best be proactive in helping with the “transformation plan” of any and all teams who may be about to enter such unusual, unfamilar, and difficult situations.

I think Art pretty much nailed the gist right there. The exchange of debt for ownership stake is the core concept.

Thank You Jason, Alan, and Arthur. I think I better understand what is going on now.

I drove by the local Chevy dealership today, it was empty. The owner also has several other dealerships in town, they apparently moved everything to their other GM dealership and consolidated.

It was a shock…

I’ve lived in the shadow of NY City for too long. I agree, there are some places where the above it far from true.

Test-drive their products if you’re in the market. Convince others to do so.

Well, either they will learn how to fundraise or they will disappear.

The point of the first quote above is that teams need to open their eyes and look around town. There are a LOT of small businesses out there, and even a $50 sponsor is better than nothing. A team with one or two sponsors is at a disadvantage, in that they have had little practice in fundraising. But, this can be learned and done, thousands of teams have done it already.

Fact: You can earn over $2000 from a car wash.
Fact: A team can do pretty well on $10k per year, if they try.

The loss of a major sponsor does not have to be a death blow. FIRST teams tend to be creative in many ways, right? Here’s another great opportunity for learning.