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[Clinton_Bolinger]

We are not claiming any content as our own. In fact, we operate at a financial LOSS and have no source of income coming from the archive. We spent countless hours sorting and organizing content. We fund the project from our own pockets. To call what we are doing unprofessional is insulting.

• Bochek

Bochek,

You have Ads on your site below every video.(see attached picture)

My opinion is to ask and give credit where credit is due. As stated before maybe link to the original source. That way if the WatchFirstNow account (http://vimeo.com/user15100903) ever got deleted users would still be able to find the content.

I also find it interesting that none of the videos uploaded to your Vimeo account is public and the only way to view them is via the www.WatchFIRSTnow.com website that includes personal/private Ads.

-Clinton-

[coalhot]

I don’t know about you guys, but I use TBA for almost everything. They’ve been around forever, have a lot of match archives, have the scores in a convenient manner on the page. I also haven’t heard a concrete reason to not use TBA. Please enlighten me if I’m wrong on that…

[Bochek]

You have Ads on your site below every video.(see attached picture)

If you read what it says directly above the advertisement you would know that I receive no source of income from the ad.

My opinion is to ask and give credit where credit is due. As stated before maybe link to the original source.

I have plans to add a “video provided by” line to the page, but things take time. I am not a programmer, I pay to have the site developed.

[lanna.stars]

I’m not sure why everyone is getting upset over this rather be grateful someone is taking the time out of THEIR own busy lives UNPAID (in Canada the Mentors don’t get paid FYI) to put together this wonderful archive. No legal laws were broken… besides international cyber laws a very limited… Yes perhaps the Watchfirstnow team should have asked but what’s done is done and this is a great database to be creating.

I think we are forgetting what FIRST is about that is working together to collaborate on ideas and information… aka SHARING VIDEOS to spread the word of FIRST and STEM.

Let’s look at the bigger picture here.

Thank you watchfirstnow Team!

[Hallry]

How does one contact WatchFIRSTNow? Whenever I click on the ‘contact’ tab on the site nothing is displayed.

[Bochek]

How does one contact WatchFIRSTNow? Whenever I click on the ‘contact’ tab on the site nothing is displayed.

You can email administrator@watchfirstnow.com

[nlj007]

Here is what we recorded from Palmetto a couple weeks ago. I am currently uploading the matches I recorded from NC. I will post those when I have them

Palmetto:

[Bochek]

Have you tried contacting the TBA team to try and resolve these issues? My experience with them has been extremely positive and friendly.

At the end of last season I tried to contact TBA to try and collaboratively work on embedding our archive into their match results content. I never heard back from them on the topic.

[Bochek]

Here is what we recorded from Palmetto a couple weeks ago. I am currently uploading the matches I recorded from NC. I will post those when I have them

Palmetto:
http://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLX7C2lEqwF31fj6ITeW-n040d3ulKA1Oq

Thanks! Its been added to our list. You should see it in the archive in the next few days.

[plnyyanks]

At the end of last season I tried to contact TBA to try and collaboratively work on embedding our archive into their match results content. I never heard back from them on the topic.

Create an issue and bring it up there. Somebody can help you out there with the development process (I wouldn’t mind doing it, but it might not be for a while - I have a lot of other projects I’m working on and am still learning the TBA code base)

[Eugene_Fang]

At the end of last season I tried to contact TBA to try and collaboratively work on embedding our archive into their match results content. I never heard back from them on the topic.

Hi Everyone!

Bochek, we must have lost your email to us. Please reach out to us on our mailing list at https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/thebluealliance-developers and we’d love to get involved!

The Blue Alliance is collaborative project because we know we can’t do as many things as we’d like to with the time we have. Whether you’re a developer who can commit code, or you want to help suggest more videos, data, or other ideas (coordinating at https://www.facebook.com/groups/moardata/ ), we’d love to have your help!

Cheers,
Eugene

[Jean_Tenca]

I think the reason people are reacting negatively to this is that teams like 1676 spend a lot of time recording, editing, and uploading their match videos. To have their videos copied with no credit to their original effort is what hurts. If another site started linking your videos without your consent I’m sure you’d be unhappy (even though they weren’t yours to begin with).

It’s great that WFN wants to create an archive. I’m all for it because I know personal youtube channels are not reliable and I’d love to be able to rewatch old matches 5-10 years from now. But I think the way to get 100% community support is to 1) Cite the source from your video and 2) Share the videos through TBA. If you need to pay someone to develop your website and really aren’t making money off your site, it sounds like a match made in heaven for you to partner with TBA. WFN provides cited backups of videos and TBA provides the infrastructure by which to share them. This would be a huge improvement to the current situation!

My 2 cents. Good luck

[Chris_is_me]

If you read what it says directly above the advertisement you would know that I receive no source of income from the ad.

That’s not the issue. The ad is there because you get some benefit for it being there. It might be cheaper hosting, it might be money to the team, it might be money to you, whatever. The point is that the ad is there and that the only way to view the content you took from other teams is via a page with the ad on it. Even if you’re not “profiting” in the traditional sense of receiving checks in the mail, it’s still quite clear you’re setting up your website to take this content from other people and make it only viewable on a site with an ad on it. That’s not fair to the people that worked hard to make and upload the content.

The proper way to resolve this is to ask for permission to take other people’s content. That simple.

[coalhot]

it’s still quite clear you’re setting up your website to take this content from other people and make it only viewable on a site with an ad on it. That’s not fair to the people that worked hard to make and upload the content.

This. The very act of using a third party piece of software to download match video and then reposting them on a site borders on/is copyright infringement. That’s why youtube allows you to embed their videos into a site, kind of like what TBA does.

Also, the audio getting removed because of copyright issues is not as big of a deal as some would make it seem. I haven’t seen many videos, if any this year where that has happened.

[Hallry]

You can email administrator@watchfirstnow.com

Just FYI, I sent an email about three days ago but haven’t received any response yet.

[Nick.kremer]

in Canada the Mentors don’t get paid FYI

^ does this imply mentors get paid in other countries? I didn’t know that was a thing…

EDIT: I gladly donate my time on behalf of the students to see them learn and grow. It was just shocking to me to think that mentors get paid for their time.

[D_Price]

I as a mentor in the USA do not get payed either. We, as mentors, benefit at the end of the 6 weeks seeing the students have fun and compete in the Regionals/Districts. So as the below statement reads last time I checked it goes against what FIRST stands for.

^ does this imply mentors get paid in other countries? I didn’t know that was a thing…

[DonRotolo]

I’m not sure why everyone is getting upset over this rather be grateful someone is taking the time out of THEIR own busy lives UNPAID (in Canada the Mentors don’t get paid FYI) to put together this wonderful archive. No legal laws were broken… besides international cyber laws a very limited… Yes perhaps the Watchfirstnow team should have asked but what’s done is done and this is a great database to be creating.

I think we are forgetting what FIRST is about that is working together to collaborate on ideas and information… aka SHARING VIDEOS to spread the word of FIRST and STEM.

Let’s look at the bigger picture here.

Thank you watchfirstnow Team!

Try having your work purloined and see how you feel about it.

They only had to ask, but since they did not, it is copyright infringement, and I intend to pursue that.

Simply put: WFN has taken a teams work and is using it without permission. Intellectual Property Theft may be legal in Canada, but not in the United States.

[PayneTrain]

Glad to see that this party didn’t stop. Hope this drama can tide everyone over until someone gets “wronged” in eliminations on Saturday.

A lot of people watch stuff that happens on this site and in the greater community. Including a lot of kids.

“♫ You take the high road and I’ll just sit here and complain on the internet ♫”

[Hallry]

“♫ You take the high road and I’ll just sit here and complain on the internet ♫”

As author Lisa Kleypas said, “A good conversation always involves a certain amount of complaining.”