So what do you guys think of the human player time? - im starting to think that it will be more crucial than many people think.
(but i can stack all 8 of em so…)
good luck to all and see you @ VCU
Im so afraid that my UNCOORDINATED team mates will knock something over, or trip haha.
2 minor penalties. ouch.
Yeah… I don’t want to do that job if someone asks me. Tripping and costing your alliance the match is not appealing.
Yeah, I have a bad feeling that our human player will trip and fall casuing the boxes to fly. 
I dunno about tripping yet cause weve been practicing on hard floors - but several of our team members have the tendancy to go THRU the walls we have taped out on the floor when returning to their “pads” (we dont have the money to build the entire field so we taped the edges out on the floor).
its also fun to watch what people will do when something falls and they only have less than 10 seconds to get back - hehe
*Originally posted by soezgg *
**Im so afraid that my UNCOORDINATED team mates will knock something over, or trip haha.2 minor penalties. ouch. **
It’s all good Steve, you forgot that you have ME on your team. And we all know how coordianted I am! 
I think that the human player period won’t be that much of a difficulty, as long as the person knows that they have to do witht he bins ahead of time.
we are doomed, i feel it.
*Originally posted by monsieurcoffee *
**Yeah… I don’t want to do that job if someone asks me. Tripping and costing your alliance the match is not appealing. **
I was just attacked with a pointy stick, and as a result I am subsequently unable to look up what happens if a human player trips. Does anybody want to fill me in?
*Originally posted by kristen *
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I think that the human player period won’t be that much of a difficulty, as long as the person knows that they have to do with the bins ahead of time. **
This, unfortunately, is entirely untrue for me. We were out human-player practicing and I had a hard time getting my bins to the proper position and getting out in time at first. After about two or three trial runs of a certain bin placement, it became relatively easy…but at the competitions we won’t have an hour of practice, and people will be screaming, and music will be blasting, and the game is on the line, and the stack looms, and the clock ticks so quickly…faints.
If the human player trips, that is bad. It is worse if they knock bins onto their sides. Over 10 seconds is two minor penalties, and no autonomous. Knocked over bins is two minor penalties. Human player over fifteen, DQed for match. So if you trip, you have to try to set all bins back upright. Or you get 4 minor penalties. And with 4 minor penalties, you are DQed.
One trip would be very likely to DQ you for the whole match.
Watch your step…
I was just attacked with a pointy stick, and as a result I am subsequently unable to look up what happens if a human player trips. Does anybody want to fill me in?
Im really not sure - but my best guess would be that the normal rules would apply as if you just didnt get out in time. I would ask in the official FIRST forums for that one or in the Rules section here.
Second -
With enough practice the other human players for my team and I seem to have a good idea of what to do - we ran through all our plays today and most of them we ran once under 10 sec and moved on. I dont think that in competition it will be that much harder, even with the environment.
didn’t it get changed to 15 sec?
That is only for the practice rounds. In the competition, it will be 10.
…And 10 is quite difficult, considering how they are placed at the start. It’d take at least 1 second to just get out of the gate with all four bins, and probably around 9 seconds to stack eight well. Not that anyone would want to stack eight. I’d be happy if we were allowed to start off the match carrying the bins (I mean, come on, we’re allowed to start robots at any orientation in the start zone, so why not people?), or if we got just a tad more time (not gonna happen), say 11 seconds.
didnt we pratice it actually holding the bins before the 10 seconds started? or at least changing the order, or stacking different heights…
gotta watch that the bins are right side up too :rolleyes:
Yes we did but I got that clarified. Beware anyone who did practice with their human players starting of with bins in hand.
I fully understand that 10 sec is a very short period of time - and our team has been starting with the boxes in a posistion around the actual starting posistion. the solution for not having enough time - sprinting. i just brace the boxes on my body (since im tall) and run. then on the way back - run even faster. but i can see this as a problem if your team is full of, how shall i say this, not so athletic people.
the solution for not having enough time - sprinting.
for some reason i think FIRST is gonna have a safety issue with this… they dont want us running in the pits, not to mention if we were carrying boxes…
But we’re wearing safety glasses. That makes us invincible… 
I suppose I’ll have to sprint like that too. CaptMatt15 must be really tall to brace all four bins against himself without his legs getting in the way. I was practicing starting off with four bins in hand. When the countdown to start was at 1 second, I’d lean them forward to about 60 degrees and run as fast as possible behind (under/after) them when time started. It allows me to worry about running and not about what I’m carying, much like how a soccer player kicks the ball way out in front of him when really moving. Of course, this is only advantageous when travellling long distances because it takes a while to stop.
ok - a little clarification - the top box of the 4 ends up touching my head just a little or not at all - the other 3 are pretty much against my body. and im 6’4" so that helps.
yes, i have also noticed that leaning the boxes a little while running helps to keep em from falling over - ive been leaning them forward just a tad as i pick em up off the ground - keeps that top one from blowing over your head.