*Originally posted by JVN * The Head-Ref in NH was someone from FIRST authorized to make “official” calls like these… this was how we called it, which leads me to believe that is how FIRST wants it.
Interesting. I know what you mean about the Jive postings as many of them seem to contradict each other. The reason I referenced this particular Jive post is because it seemed so definitive, unlike many of their other responses. I’m just very surprised that FIRST would allow bin placement in the grey area especially when it means touching the robot in there with the bin. If this is allowed, what’s to stop a human player from using a bin to push a robot back further into the grey area before setting down their bin right in front of it? I guess I feel like the intent of the rule was to not allow the bins to intrude into the robot’s starting area.
Hopefully things will be ironed out WELL before Stang’s week 3 regional.
I’m not worried about our team. This “strategy” of bin placement hurts others a lot more than it hurts us. If it is legal, it will actually work out to be an advantage for us.
We suffered from the bins being placed right in front of us in one of the qualifying rounds, but we were ok with it, as we did not lose the match…
When it was done to 525/16/356 in the semi-finals, I was kinda ticked…I was hoping that alliance would win! (They beat us, and I would like to be able to say that we were beaten by the winning alliance)
*Originally posted by Caleb Fulton *
**We suffered from the bins being placed right in front of us in one of the qualifying rounds, but we were ok with it, as we did not lose the match…
When it was done to 525/16/356 in the semi-finals, I was kinda ticked…I was hoping that alliance would win! (They beat us, and I would like to be able to say that we were beaten by the winning alliance) **
Thank you very much. I myself, being the Alliance Captain, had talked to the refs. earlier that day but unfortunatly they would not sway on their earlier ruling. Which made me a little mad. However, I do want to say that I hope FIRST does come to a final conclusion on this before nationals. Good luck to all the teams.
I am amazed that such discrepancies could occur between the regionals. At Sacramento, if a bin hung over ever so slightly into the grey zone, you received penalties. Also, we received a DQ of our autonomy for the HP leaning over the rail. Not once did I see a HP intentionally violate any rules.
I know my team would get really mad if someone wedged bins in front of us. I really hope this issue gets ironed out before Week 3. The discrepancies between regionals are unacceptable.
It looks like FIRST reiterated its initial ruling concerning illegal bin placement. Thanks to all who asked questions on the jive forums, and thanks to FIRST for clarifying the rule.
Something like that happened to us at the New York Regionals. Our bot needs to fall down to get going, and the pius princesses put one of their boxes right underneath us. The match eventually got replayed and we got 193 points (box points).
I agree with many on this thread, there is too much illegal bin placement going either unnoticed or unheeded. Although this is a little unrelated, this is one of my least favorite games. It definately beats a few years, the floopies come to mind, but in my opinion this year’s game itself is flawed.
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I myself, being the Alliance Captain, had talked to the refs. earlier that day but unfortunatly they would not sway on their earlier ruling. Which made me a little mad. However, I do want to say that I hope