Impressions of Houston

If this thread steps on the toes of another, merge them together or something. :slight_smile:

…so, with that said, what were everyone’s impressions of Houston and the Event?

I’d really, really, really like to see the event return to Walt Disney World next year. If it weren’t for the company of some of the most amazing people I’ve ever met, thanks to both CD and Tigerbolt, I think I would’ve had one of the most miserable experiences of my life.

Now, in fairness, a lot of that misery wasn’t because of the competition itself, but because of the city of Houston, and because of other things I couldn’t expect FIRST to control. But, still, it left me with a really bad impression of the event, Houston, and Texas, and I won’t return to that state again for a very long time, FIRST or not.

The pits felt ‘dirty’ to me. They were on the field of the Astrodome, which has the look of an old, abandoned building that hasn’t been used or cared for in ages. . . maybe because that approaches what it actually is. The floor was uncomfortable and dirty and being surrounded by tens of thousands of empty seats was depressing. Whatever energy there was from students and teams was sucked up into the emptiness of that huge building.

The walk from the pits to any of the fields was atrociously long, and getting out of the Astrodome felt like taking a stroll through a dungeon. The magic and excitement of the competition loses something when you’re trekking endlessly through sterile, dirty, unkempt concrete corridors, climbing toward the daylight. The walk outside, between the buildings, was more reminscent of FIRST competitions from the past. There were the familiar white tents, the state flags, the areas of grass with people camped out resting, and the sunshine, too. Then, when you walked into the Reliant Stadium, all of that went away again. Once more, you were surrounded by more empty seats and more concrete corridors.

The fields, which should be the focus of the event, were nondescript and bland. They were all sitting on another dirty, sterile floor, backed by depressing gray drapes, and they lacked the same presence and feeling of importance they had in Florida. Beside it’s location in the center and it’s lighting rig, there was nothing special about the Einstein field, either.

Team queuing took place “behind the scenes,” and for as much as I’ve been told by FIRST staff that they’re trying to put on a show, this seemed a little out of place. It felt odd and to be lurking around in the bowels of these buildings when we were supposed to be taking part in this amazing, beautiful show.

I left early on Saturday, so I didn’t go to the party that evening at Six Flags Astroworld, but I was under the impression that it was nothing more than access to the park with the general public and a catered meal from the park. Thankfully, at least, FIRST did start selling discounted tickets to the private event on Friday night and I was able to attend that. I found the atmosphere to be very, very different here than it had been in previous years, marked by rude, inefficient, uninterested employees and very little that made me believe I was at a FIRST event. At Epcot, Disney made a great effort to spruce things up for us, decorating the park and making the party something exciting and special. At Astroworld, I got a strong impression that we weren’t welcomed there and that the employees (and by proxy, the park) didn’t want to be working that night. It felt forced.

Security at the event was puzzling. At first, they were only checking bags on the way into Reliant Stadium, but not into the Astrodome and the pits. After I’d passed through the security check a few times and they were starting to recognize me, they just began to wave me through without getting searched again. If they’re going to do that, what’s the point?

Others have already posted about their issues with some of the hotels. While I didn’t stay at a FIRST recommended hotel because of the very last-minute nature of my trip there, it seemed like the various hotel areas were very far away from one another. Admittedly, this only limited my social opportunities, but I definitely missed Disney’s convenient transportation system – especially when I was stranded at another hotel by an apparent murder-suicide near where I was staying that subsequently closed many of the surrounding roads. After leaving Astroworld on Friday night, I found that the security left after we were out of the park, they locked all of the gates to the parking lot, and I was again left stranded with no way out. Houston did not make me feel safe at all.

The people saved the trip for me, though, and made me want to stay for as long as I could. If it weren’t for the amazing people I’ve met in FIRST, I would’ve have left to come home Thursday or Friday evening. The people were great, and will continue to be so no matter where the event is held. But, for what it’s worth, I was wholly underwhelmed by this year’s Championship and I hope that we return to the benefits of Walt Disney World for next year. The Astrodome is big, sure, but it’s too big. Walt Disney World’s event village is the perfect size for us because it’s built specifically for us. In Florida, everywhere you looked you saw busy people, manicured facilities, and a clean, appealing show. It was exciting there. Houston? Not so much.

This was my first Nationals/Championship event. I had a blast.

I had a much less negative experience. Houston did a good job being that this was their first FIRST experience! Disney does this all year long, all the time. Houston is not a production company. However, they pulled off a big event with no kinks that I know of.

I had a great time, the people were great. Our robot ran well. The stadium was incredible (I’m a country boy). It was neat to see the FLL competition going on at the same time. I was disappointed to see so little representation by the Houston community. I guess they didn’t know about it. The music selection was great!

Our team was discussing the experience and agreed that it would have been an improvement to have had two divisions and their pits in each building and keep Einstein field in the larger building. I personally think that Houston is a better drive for half of the nation. Maybe we can have it in Rio one year for the Brazilian team(s).

Way to go Houston!
Way to go FIRST!
Way to go all sponsors of this and all FIRST events!!!
Way to go teams 111, 469, and 65! You guys rock!
Good Idea 111!

Eric, 343

Wow - I feel almost exactly the opposite way.

I loved the Astrodome - even though I’ve lived here in Houston nearly three years, I’d never been inside the building before Thursday. It was an architectural wonder when it was first built, and it’s still very impressive now. I didn’t once feel like it was empty. Granted, Reliant Stadium seemed empty and the field arrangements were a little bland, but they’ll get the hang of it if we give them a chance. The walk was bad to start with, but by Friday afternoon it didn’t even bother me.

The best thing I saw about Houston was room to grow. The Astrodome could conceiveably hold thousands of pits. Reliant Stadium could hold easily ten to twenty fields. Now that the facility constraint is no longer there, it’s time to open the Championship event back up to everyone.

*Originally posted by Eric G *
** Maybe we can have it in Rio one year for the Brazilian team(s).
**

I can dream!
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Brazil Teams

Our school regularly exchanges a big group of students for 2 weeks every year with Mexico. Our family dreams of getting their first robotics’ team started with the friends we’ve made from there.

hhhhheeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyyy

lol, nats was great! what was ur favorite parts? My favorite was all of the cheering:
CHARGE!!!
too bad i have no voice now…lol :smiley:
and at six flags Greased Lightning was the best ride

i need sleep!! we had to get up at 2am this morning for our flight
adios
hermione

*Originally posted by M. Krass *
I’d really, really, really like to see the event return to Walt Disney World next year.

First off, I wouldnt. We were playing in the most advanced and the newest dome in the nation. Awesome venue and awesome atmosphere

**The pits felt ‘dirty’ to me. They were on the field of the Astrodome, which has the look of an old, abandoned building that hasn’t been used or cared for in ages. . . maybe because that approaches what it actually is. The floor was uncomfortable and dirty and being surrounded by tens of thousands of empty seats was depressing. Whatever energy there was from students and teams was sucked up into the emptiness of that huge building. **

The pit was going to get dirty anyway. The astrodome is an american legend and it was an honor to work in there. It may have been empty this year, but when you have a stadium that seats 60,000+ filling it is hard to do.

**The walk from the pits to any of the fields was atrociously long, and getting out of the Astrodome felt like taking a stroll through a dungeon. **

Actually, myself and many other drive teams felt a build up of excitment and adreniline through our trips up the ramps in the astrodome…the disney world background made the championships seem a bit “kid-ish” if you know what I mean. It was time for a change and time for FIRST to “Grow up” out of that kid stage.

**The fields, which should be the focus of the event, were nondescript and bland. They were all sitting on another dirty, sterile floor, backed by depressing gray drapes, and they lacked the same presence and feeling of importance they had in Florida. Beside it’s location in the center and it’s lighting rig, there was nothing special about the Einstein field, either. **

I guess thats what happens when you have a budget :wink:

I left early on Saturday, so I didn’t go to the party that evening at Six Flags Astroworld, but I was under the impression that it was nothing more than access to the park with the general public and a catered meal from the park. Thankfully, at least, FIRST did start selling discounted tickets to the private event on Friday night and I was able to attend that. I found the atmosphere to be very, very different here than it had been in previous years, marked by rude, inefficient, uninterested employees and very little that made me believe I was at a FIRST event. At Epcot, Disney made a great effort to spruce things up for us, decorating the park and making the party something exciting and special. At Astroworld, I got a strong impression that we weren’t welcomed there and that the employees (and by proxy, the park) didn’t want to be working that night. It felt forced.

The security sucked, but the atmosphere and getting the chance to hang out with friends from other teams was good enough for me. I hardly even rode any rides but I still had a great time.

*Originally posted by D.J. Fluck *
First off, I wouldnt. We were playing in the most advanced and the newest dome in the nation. Awesome venue and awesome atmosphere

I don’t know. For me, the atmosphere was too expansive and not, well, controlled enough. I felt entirely overwhelmed by the building, but not in a positive way. I think that Florida’s made-to-order venue was nicer because it catered to the event. The tents were built around the fields, and they can be made larger. Einstein was built as the centerpiece. The pits were built adjacent to the division fields. It was all tailored to our needs and that made the experience special and exciting. It meant that FIRST was important enough to warrant that effort, rather than shoe-horning it into someplace it doesn’t belong.

The pit was going to get dirty anyway. The astrodome is an american legend and it was an honor to work in there. It may have been empty this year, but when you have a stadium that seats 60,000+ filling it is hard to do.

Dirty with tools and robot parts and buttons and giveaways, sure… but, it felt like there was a layer of dust and grime everywhere. The volunteers even said that when they’d gotten into the Astrodome the previous day, the dust was atrocious. The immense shift from being so important as to get the attention of our own village to wiping the dust off an aging building was a bit shocking to me. The Astrodome, in my mind, is a dinosaur and not significant in any terribly important sense. It’s something like a Ford Model-T (another first), perhaps. It’d be cool to look at, and maybe even own, but you definitely don’t want to have to use it. There are better alternatives.

Actually, myself and many other drive teams felt a build up of excitment and adreniline through our trips up the ramps in the astrodome…the disney world background made the championships seem a bit “kid-ish” if you know what I mean. It was time for a change and time for FIRST to “Grow up” out of that kid stage.

I don’t associate Walt Disney World with being kid-ish at all, so you’re comparison is somewhat lost upon me. I associate Walt Disney World with being a polished, well run show. Again, in Walt Disney World, I felt like I was part of the show. In Houston, I felt like I was trying to fill the shoes of a baseball or football stadium. If FIRST grows large enough to fill those huge venues without self-destructing first, the event may be much, much better. Until then, I think FIRST ought to stick with a venue that’s the right size.

I guess thats what happens when you have a budget :wink:

I don’t understand this word ‘budget’ that you speak of :wink:

The security sucked, but the atmosphere and getting the chance to hang out with friends from other teams was good enough for me. I hardly even rode any rides but I still had a great time.

Ditto. It was getting to see everyone I like so much that really made the event worth the trek to Texas, last-minute no less. I just wonder that, instead of the people being the highlight that salvaged the event*, they should have been the final touch that made it perfect.

  • for me. :stuck_out_tongue:

*Originally posted by M. Krass *
I don’t know. For me, the atmosphere was too expansive and not, well, controlled enough. I felt entirely overwhelmed by the building, but not in a positive way. I think that Florida’s made-to-order venue was nicer because it catered to the event. The tents were built around the fields, and they can be made larger. Einstein was built as the centerpiece. The pits were built adjacent to the division fields. It was all tailored to our needs and that made the experience special and exciting. It meant that FIRST was important enough to warrant that effort, rather than shoe-horning it into someplace it doesn’t belong.

Keep in mind this is a rapidly expanding organization… I think of the space as “room to grow” if you will. When I was small, my parents always bought me shoes one size larger than fit, so we wouldn’t have to buy shoes all the time due to growing feet. It may seem huge and overwhelming, but give it time to fan out, maybe allow another 100 teams or so in, then see where the space goes. To me, Disney felt far too small and cramped, and really limited the potential of the competition.

Dirty with tools and robot parts and buttons and giveaways, sure… but, it felt like there was a layer of dust and grime everywhere. The volunteers even said that when they’d gotten into the Astrodome the previous day, the dust was atrocious. The immense shift from being so important as to get the attention of our own village to wiping the dust off an aging building was a bit shocking to me. The Astrodome, in my mind, is a dinosaur and not significant in any terribly important sense. It’s something like a Ford Model-T (another first), perhaps. It’d be cool to look at, and maybe even own, but you definitely don’t want to have to use it. There are better alternatives.

Personally, I thought it was nice to have a real floor. As I recall last year, the “port-a-floor” wasn’t the cleanest thing in the world either. They would have had the astroturf out, had they not feared tools and robots destroying it. When was the last time a real machine shop had a floor any cleaner than what was in the Astrodome?

I don’t associate Walt Disney World with being kid-ish at all, so you’re comparison is somewhat lost upon me. I associate Walt Disney World with being a polished, well run show. Again, in Walt Disney World, I felt like I was part of the show. In Houston, I felt like I was trying to fill the shoes of a baseball or football stadium. If FIRST grows large enough to fill those huge venues without self-destructing first, the event may be much, much better. Until then, I think FIRST ought to stick with a venue that’s the right size.

Also, Disney is a re-run every year. They have the experience of countless FIRST championships under their belt, and know what to expect and provide. Also, as I stated before, if FIRST keeps a venue that’s the “right size,” people will never feel the ability to expand the competition to include more teams.

Ditto. It was getting to see everyone I like so much that really made the event worth the trek to Texas, last-minute no less. I just wonder that, instead of the people being the highlight that salvaged the event*, they should have been the final touch that made it perfect.

The people make everything special at every event. It takes incredible people to put on an incredible event. Thanks to all for making FIRST what it is.

I enjoyed competing with everyone and being there, but I do not like Houston one bit. It was an awful experience walking back and forth to and from the pits almost a half mile each way. We did not use the package deal so we didn’t get the special party after saturday night, but after friday for $20 we got in to Six Flags which was pretty neat (wooohoooo Ultra Twister). The layout of the competition was absolutely awful though. We ended up having to bring all of our stuff over for finals, just in case, along with batteries and chargers (again what a pain). As far as the area goes I just did not enjoy the stay. The astrodome looked and seemed awful. I had fun with friends and other teams and all, but that was it. FIRST messed that one up big time it could have been a lot easier on us all, but they decided against that.

I personally would like to see the event in a big stadium again. Whether or not that is Houston is the question-

Pros-

  1. the venue was very BIG- there would be plenty of room to add 1/3 more teams at least.

  2. visibility- there were plenty of seats for everyone to view a field. The view from up high was probably better than the one downstairs.

  3. price- compared to Orlando the accommodations were cheap if you follow the FIRST package

  4. the Closing Ceremonies- FIRST listened and kept them short. The staging could have been better. For example- the sound system could not be heard by the competitors- hence Woody’s handshake call was totally ignored by the finals teams (we aren’t bad guys- honest). Chuck Yaeger was terrific. I did miss the CEOs making promises of support like last year though.

Disappointments-

  1. the rodeo left two weeks ago- why wasn’t there a huge FIRST banner on the front of the Reliant to draw the public in?

  2. the food- I live off fast food- the stuff they were passing off as the prepaid lunch was bland, cold and insufficient. If you went to the few concessions open you needed to mortgage your home to eat. Nearly $4 for a bottle of Coke- come on!

  3. the buses- generally the buses were nice and clean and the drivers were great. But nobody seemd to know where they were supposed to go, in the evening they simply stopped running and shortly after the closing the whole shebang moved over to 6-Flags leaving equipment laden crews sitting at the arena.

  4. the venue in general- it seemed that there were big cutbacks in operations this year. For example- the only screens showing the scores were way up in the rafters obstructed by hanging equipment. There weren’t even signs labelling the fields the first day.
    The walk to and from the pits was long, uphill and tiring. If there was rain it would have been tragic because there would be no way to avoid getting robots soaked as they passed through the “high security” checkpoint.

Some positive suggestions-

If we were to return to Houston I suggest the following

  1. stage 6 fields on the arena floor - along the perimeter. Put the pit stations in the corridors in the levels above them. Totally avoid the Astrodome itself or use it as a food court and meeting place.

  2. make a barricade wall on the perimeter of the arena lawns and do a single security chack there. Let the robots and teams flow freely between the buildings. And please hire some staff who have common sense and courtesy as opposed to the automatons I met up with this past weekend.
    Frankly, the checks done were pathetic and might as well have been scrapped- if there WAS a terrorist bomber in the crowd they could probably make their device right in the pits if they really wanted to.

  3. we looked for some sort of souveneir from the “SuperBowl of Smarts”- there was NOTHING! Yes I got my shirt but you would think that the arena would jump on the chance to sell merchandise. I would have been happy with an arena pennant for a friend of mine.

  4. the flags and big screens that have made the Nationals an Olympic type of event in the past should be returned. FIRST has always been a high class event in my eyes. Somehow it seemed a lot more watered down this year.

I realize FIRST has a huge job each year setting up the Nationals and hopefully they are already well into the preparation for NEXT years’. They did an awesome job this year and deserve our praise and help. Maybe each team or regional group can offer something to help the event work?

In closing of this lengthy post- my team would happily play the competition in a pup tent in a swamp if we can get ALL the teams back to the Nationals. End the even/odd system and lets figure out a way that everyone can come together for the big event. No matter how bad the venue may be, there is nothing like competng in the nationals. Everyone deserves a chance to experience that.

WC
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I’ll mirror my comments from the EPCOT vs. Houston poll:

– The distance from the pits to the stage was rediculous. It easily took 10 minutes to get from the pits to Archemedes, and multiply that by 7 matches, that is 140 minutes of walking. God forbid you forget anything in the pits!

– Not having a screen at each field was a big mistake. From the stands having to look all the way to the other side of the stadium to find out how much time was remaining meant that I often missed crucial plays. Honestly, how much would four screens and projectors cost? 50k? FIRST can afford that.

– The seating in the arena was great. Unlike EPCOT, there were never cameramen in the way, and everyone could get a good view. The air-conditioning was nice as well!

– What was with the eye-level flags in the walkway from the pits to the arena? If you walked through there, you were constantly hit in the face! As Ken Stafford put it, the only reason people walked through there is because they felt guilty about all the trouble that FIRST went to put it up in the first place.

– Security at the Reliant was a joke. I was asked to open my backpack when I walked in, but once it was open, I couldn’t get anyone’s attention to actually look in it, so I just walked in. Other times, simply opening a side pocket was enough. I even saw some guards just feeling the outside of bags, and not even looking inside. If someone wanted to get something inside and kill 40,000 high school students, they woudn’t have any problem. Either have security or don’t, but don’t just waste our time and create bottlenecks without being even slightly effective.

– The food wasn’t that bad. The burgers were much larger than anything from McDonalds or Burger King, and considering the sheer quantity they made, they were rather good. Also, I never had to wait more than 30 seconds in line to be served, and many of the farther tables never had a line at all. It wasn’t gourmet, but it was filling. Yes, there was the time I missed lunch, and nothing but Krispy Kreme was open in the Reliant, and I didn’t feel like walking 10 minutes back to the 'dome, but it was still better than many regionals.

– The closing ceremony format was very nice from what I saw (although I missed a great deal of it). The finale with the video and fireworks was a perfect wrap-up.

– The city itself was rather dull. Around our hotel, there was literally nothing open after 8pm except the Hard Rock cafe a couple miles away. No comparison to Disney at all.

– Six Flags wasn’t as bad as I expected, and I was able to do everything there over the course of the two nights – something that is impossible at EPCOT. My major complaint is that they didn’t allow leathermen in, and wouldn’t even let me put in in a locker or check it somewhere, so I had to walk all the way back to the Astrodome and convince the security guard to drop mine in our pit (apparently, I was the fifth or sixth person to do this). The funniest thing was leaving the park after it closed and seeing the dozens of kids searching the bushes for the leathermen they hid there.

– In all, I think that in a few years, Houston could be just as good as EPCOT. Things need to change, but I’m sure that FIRST will listen to our comments and do their best to fix them.