Let’s have some good discussion now without try to take too much away from the awesome INsight account (I’m expecting that post somewhat soon ;)). Will 1024 win all the IN events this year? Who do you think will be ranked #1 at the event? Who will win Chairman’s and Engineering Inspiration? Will Indiana be the most competitive district this year? Other topics of discussion?
Eligible for Chairman’s: 1747, 868, 1741
Eligible for Engineering Inspiration: 2197, 461, 135
Eligible for Rookie All Star: 6012
Already qualified to worlds: 45 (Legacy Team), 868 (Won a Regional)
Will qualify for worlds: 6012 (only team able to win Rookie All start at IN DCMPS)
Indiana World Champs Spots
3 Winners
1 Chairman’s Award
1 Engineering Inspiration Award
1 Rookie All Star Award
Next 2 highest teams by district points (originally was 3 but 1 was taken away when 868 won the regional)
1 Legacy Team (45)
1 Regional Winner (868)
0 Wait List teams (so far. May add some in next few weeks.)
Aluminosity is excited to be attending!
1024 is definitely the favorite after the three district events. Can’t wait to see how it all plays out and hope that we can send some really competitive robots to take on Einstein. Good luck to everybody.
I should have specified. Technically, there are still 9 spots for the Indiana District but there will be at least 11 teams in attendance because of 45 and 868 already qualified and registered outside of the IN District. Therefore, there will still be 11 IN teams no matter what.
I believe this is wrong. From Section 7.4.4 of the 2016 Admin Manual:
Districts will receive the percentage of available slots at the FIRST Championship, rounded up to the nearest whole slot, equal to the percentage of teams they have in their District compared to all of FIRST Robotics Competition in the current season. In calculating available slots at the FIRST Championship, pre-qualified teams will be excluded. For team counts, this calculation uses a ‘snapshot’ of teams, that have both registered and paid, taken on a specific day a few weeks after payment for the season is due.
These allocated slots are guaranteed to the Districts. These slots will be made up of qualifying award winners from the District Championship (Chairman’s Award, Engineering Award, and Rookie All Star winners), all teams on the Winning Alliance from the District Championship (including any Back-Up teams participating), any qualifying award winners among district teams who traveled to Regionals, plus the teams on the final District ranking list, as deep in the ranking list as the District needs to go to fill their allocation. If a District team earns a slot to the FIRST Championship within the season, but is not able to attend for whatever reason, the top ranked team who has not yet been offered a slot is given the opportunity, and so on, until all slots are filled. District teams earning FIRST Championship slots at Regionals do count as part of the District allocation. Even though a District team may earn their FIRST Championship slot at a Regional, they are still from the District and can be considered part of the District contingent to the FIRST Championship.
Emphasis mine.
Indiana gets 9 slots to World Champs, not counting Original and Sustaining Team 45. 3 of these 9 slots go to the DCMP Chairman’s, Engineering Inspiration, and Rookie All-Star Award Winners, and 3 others go to the Winning Alliance of the DCMP (or 4, if there is a backup robot used). This would leave the remaining 3 slots for the next 3 highest ranked teams in the District. However, 1 of these slots has been taken by Team 868, who won the 2016 Queen City Regional, meaning that there are only 2 slots left for the highest ranked Indiana District teams (or just 1 if a backup robot is on the DCMP winning alliance). No matter what, Indiana will be sending 10 teams to World Champs, including Team 45, but excluding any waitlist slots. (if I interpret that correctly).
Wow. Learn something new everyday. Isn’t that a dumb way to do it though? I mean if 868 won a regional, I feel like they should receive one of the Regional’s 6 spots rather than taking away one of IN DCMPS 9 spots since it wasn’t earned at the IN DCMPS. Does anyone else agree with me?
So at Queens City Regional, there were 7 teams that qualified to worlds? 6 through the original 6 spots at the Regional and 1 through the IN DCMPS?
What would happen if 4 IN teams won a Regional this year? That’d be an odd situation…
No, only 6 teams qualified for World Champs at Queen City: 3 winners, 3 Qualifying Awards (RCA, EI, RAS). But 868 qualifying for World Champs through Queen City takes away a slot from Indiana’s allocated team count at World Champs.
EDIT: The RCA winner at Queen City (1939) was actually already qualified for World Champs via EI at Greater Kansas City, so a wildcard was given to 4028, the captain of the finalist alliance. But still, only 6 teams advanced from Queen City.
Actually, Wait List teams don’t count towards that either if I’m not mistaken. Last year, IN sent 14 teams. 10 original spots at IN DCMP, 45 for being a legacy, and 3 wait list teams.
That still isn’t adding up then. If there are suppose to be 9 teams from IN and 6 teams from Queen City, That is 15 total. If 868 took 1 of 9 IN Slots, that means that Queens city only sent 5 teams if 868 was apart of that. I figured the wild card that 4028 got was because 868 won…? Either way, Queens city had to have sent 6 other teams other than 868 or 868 didn’t take away an IN spot. Things aren’t adding up on spots… mass confusion
There has been discussion of this reverse wildcard outcome in MAR threads since they introduced it in 2014. There has been less grumbling about this in the last two years–mostly in my opinion because championships has grown 50%, making it easier to qualify. Now that we have >25 slots and people can come off the waitlist, people feel like there is a good shot–when it was less than 20, people got nervous. I’m sure it’s worse for you guys.
BTW, rooting hard for 1747 to bring home two more banners!
You’re right, basically one of Indiana’s slots goes poof. 868 took a slot from Queen City by winning, but also took an Indiana slot by being from Indiana. Queen City sends 6 teams, including 868, and Indiana gets to send 9 (+ Team 45), also including 868.
Queen City sent 6 teams, one of which is 868. Because 868 is a part of the IN District System, they also count against the 9 teams they are allocated. Effectively they are taking 2 slots to Worlds, one from Queen City and one from Indiana. Most likely that other slot will be filled be a waitlist team.
The situation is similar to 2522 this year (Member of the PNW District System and won EI at the Hawai’i Regional)
So if a district team wins a qualifying spot at a regional, it creates another wait list spot? I feel like it should either A. not affect the district and that team qualifies through the regional spot. or B. It should add another wild card spot at the regional. This rule makes little sense… haha.
[strike]I’ve never heard that this is true.[/strike] (Misread, read later post below)
If 868 wins either Chairman’s or is on the Winning Alliance at the Indiana DCMP, then that World Champs qualifying slot is passed on to the next highest ranked team. If they win both, then two ranking slots open up.
