Is it possible to defeat triple traversal? 254 alliance achieved this in quarterfinals at silicon valley. Congratulations to that entire alliance for the audacious achievement.
What’s the big brain strategy that beats that?
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Fridgebots at FIM jackson got a triple traversal and lost
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Just watched the semifinal match. Fantastic match on both sides!
How about a penalty free match? I think Triple traversal still takes it.
It really depends. If the other team has good high goal shooters they can compensate by shooting a bunch in high goal and getting 2 up
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I think one of the triple traversal matches shown thus far involved the triple traversal team losing that match.
scoring many balls
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I’d assume that a triple traversal is beatable by a triple traversal.
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Hot take… … The winning alliance does not do a triple traversal to win.
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No one is unbeatable. That’s why we play the matches.
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Just like triple HAB 3 wasn’t unbeatable in 2019, triple traversal isn’t unbeatable.
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Is this the match you are talking about?
Almost all triple traversals require at least one robot to climb before the endgame period, particularly because the third robot often has a fairly slow climber. Although what the blue alliance did in shoving more than 3 balls under the red alliance robots while they were climbing should have resulted in G201 violations, a G404 violation was assessed on the red alliance, causing the blue alliance to win. Using a similar strategy to what the blue alliance did, but being careful to avoid a G201 violation (like pushing the balls in prior to the climb beginning) could help prevent the robots from being able to climb in time, as they would have to clean their hangar before they could climb.
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Doesn’t seem like it was this one. Or if it was it was a different video I think.
Edit: or it was and just starting near the end seemed like a different video, I suppose.
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Blue ball 1 came in from a re entry hitting the field electrical guard.
Blue ball 2 came in from 107 picking up and scoring a different blue ball adjacent to that one.
Blue ball 3 came in from a collision of blue robots shooting blue balls into the hub.
Blue ball 4-8 went in when 3322 had intake down to pick up blue balls pushing them in. They even went into hanger to get them before backing out because the red robot was hanging.
Blue ball 6 makes escape before red robot pushes it back into hanger bouncing blue ball that 3322 is picking up deeper into hanger.
It took the first red robot 46 seconds to climb. Did they need to start climbing at 120 secs? no, but seeing as the climb is compared to an impaired orangutan, more time for them the better.
If blue was purposefully pushing blue balls in, then why would they go in to the hanger zone and remove them? Also, why not push red balls in as well since no robot could get them if the early hang robot blocks all access to robots?
Is this a matter of bad luck for red yes, but it was called correctly yes IMO.
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I need to use this more often 
Our driver said later he couldn’t see the balls under 5530 and was just trying to pick them up from the hanger zone. So yes, it was unintentional.
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I think two 2 traversal + 1 high will be far more common. It takes less time and allows keeping your best shooter out on a nearly empty field longer.
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Too much risk of the high bar bot hitting the traversal ones, in my opinion its going to be the highest scorer staying out as late as possible then grabbing the mid bar in the last 5 seconds. Or a triple traversal.
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The bottom line is that in eliminations, HANGAR points and CARGO points are fully interchangeable if they can be scored in the same time. If one of your alliance members can score (or prevent, if the opponents continue to score CARGO) three high goals in the time difference it takes for them to get from high to traversal with two robots already on traversal, why go triple traversal? I fully expect several world division finals and quite a few matches on Einstien to come down to optimizing CARGO vs HANGAR points at endgame, and the winners will go different ways at different times.
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Would imagine the second pick goes to climb the traversal rung first followed by the second best shooter and then the best shooter goes for the high rung just in time to maximize scoring? We’ll find out in the end who will take that risk. All three need to be climbing though to have a high hanger score as the first tiebreaker.
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More or less what 2910, 4911, and 3218 did in PNW DCMPs elims. 2910 scored cargo deep into end game and mid-climbed with a few seconds left. 4911 scored cargo fairly deep into end game as well with their fast traversal climb. 3218 traversal’d earlier, positioned with good spacing for the others.
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