New York District Rankings 2024

Since the discussion keeps coming up with NY Districts, let’s see how the rankings would turn out for 2024. I used the calculator @Henbi3656 made here. You can see my full dataset on Google Sheets. ( I believe I didn’t miss anything) If @jtrv gets a chance to run his old NY District script, maybe he can double check if I messed anything up.

Let’s cut to the ranking.

NY Rankings
Team Number Total Points NY Rank
1796 140 1
353 139 2
1591 135 3
9016 108 4
1468 103 5
3173 97 6
340 93 7
6423 92 8
3419 89 9
3015 88 10
287 85 11
1155 85 12
9642 85 13
694 84 14
20 83 15
2791 82 16
6593 82 17
6873 82 18
2869 80 19
5736 79 20
329 78 21
810 78 22
424 77 23
1507 72 24
354 71 25
3799 70 26
2601 68 27
4458 68 28
1405 65 29
3950 65 30
870 64 31
2228 62 32
3171 62 33
2875 60 34
8267 60 35
3003 58 36
6868 58 37
8739 58 38
1880 56 39
263 55 40
2638 55 41
369 54 42
639 54 43
5590 54 44
871 52 45
6911 52 46
1493 50 47
2872 50 48
1126 47 49
1511 47 50
3044 47 51
4122 47 52
7504 47 53
3017 46 54
5298 46 55
191 45 56
358 45 57
578 45 58
6300 45 59
6806 44 60
9636 44 61
333 43 62
2344 42 63
514 38 64
3181 38 65
9646 38 66
3004 36 67
3624 36 68
5806 36 69
3204 34 70
9509 34 71
1601 33 72
334 32 73
569 32 74
4930 32 75
6621 32 76
7730 32 77
271 31 78
2053 31 79
250 30 80
378 30 81
1546 30 82
9437 30 83
1559 29 84
7272 28 85
5016 27 86
9295 27 87
335 26 88
2340 26 89
5421 26 90
7030 26 91
9713 26 92
527 24 93
2895 24 94
7031 24 95
806 23 96
4571 23 97
496 22 98
2161 22 99
3838 22 100
4012 22 101
6401 22 102
533 21 103
1554 20 104
4093 20 105
4299 20 106
4567 20 107
6590 20 108
7036 20 109
28 19 110
6969 19 111
7668 19 112
7718 19 113
545 18 114
2027 18 115
2265 18 116
2347 18 117
5099 18 118
3951 17 119
564 16 120
1585 16 121
2487 16 122
3760 16 123
7759 16 124
395 15 125
640 14 126
1518 14 127
1803 14 128
3137 14 129
5149 14 130
7903 14 131
229 13 132
6463 13 133
6648 13 134
743 12 135
884 12 136
5599 12 137
5881 12 138
5123 10 139
7318 10 140
3053 8 141
6880 8 142
601 6 143
1450 6 144

A NY Champs would be in similar size to Ontario or FMA in theory as they had 136 and 127 teams compete respectively. Let’s say 63 teams to make it an easy cut-off and slightly larger than FMA.

Teams at District Champs
Team Number Total Points NY Rank
1796 140 1
353 139 2
1591 135 3
9016 108 4
1468 103 5
3173 97 6
340 93 7
6423 92 8
3419 89 9
3015 88 10
287 85 11
1155 85 12
9642 85 13
694 84 14
20 83 15
2791 82 16
6593 82 17
6873 82 18
2869 80 19
5736 79 20
329 78 21
810 78 22
424 77 23
1507 72 24
354 71 25
3799 70 26
2601 68 27
4458 68 28
1405 65 29
3950 65 30
870 64 31
2228 62 32
3171 62 33
2875 60 34
8267 60 35
3003 58 36
6868 58 37
8739 58 38
1880 56 39
263 55 40
2638 55 41
369 54 42
639 54 43
5590 54 44
871 52 45
6911 52 46
1493 50 47
2872 50 48
1126 47 49
1511 47 50
3044 47 51
4122 47 52
7504 47 53
3017 46 54
5298 46 55
191 45 56
358 45 57
578 45 58
6300 45 59
6806 44 60
9636 44 61
333 43 62
2344 42 63

For the teams that qualified from NY

NY Teams Qualified for Champs
Team Number Qualification NY Rank Note
353 HVR Winner 2
354 Priority Waitlist (HVR) 25
369 NYC WIldcard 42
424* Miami Valley Wildcard 23 *Unregistered
578 FLR Wildcard 58
694 FLR Impact Winner 14
1591 FLR Winner 3
1796 HVR Winner 1
1880 TVR EI Winner 39
2638 Rocket City EI WInner 41
2869 Long Island EI Winner 19
2875 Long Island Wildcard 34
3015 Buckeye Winner 10
3181 TVR Wildcard 65 Outside DCMP cutoff
3950 NYC Winner 30
4122 NYC EI Winner 52
6806 Long Island Impact Winner 60
6911 FLR EI Winner 46
9016 Long Island Winner 4
9636 * NYC Wildcard 66 *Unregistered (Outside DCMP Cutoff)

NY has 145* teams of the 3508 in FRC for 2024 representing 4.13% of teams and earning 24.8 (24) spots for Houston. (*one team signed up but never showed up for NYC)
We currently have 18 NY Teams signed up, with 2 more not yet registered. This puts NY underrepresented by 4-6 teams as it stands.

Top 10 Missing from Houston
Team Rank
1468 5
3173 6
340 7
6423 8
3419 9

5 of the top 10 teams in points are missing from Houston. This showcases the gauntlet New York was this year.

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@Cake hopefully this helps open your eyes to the view of districts. 287 finished 11 in NY in points and would be almost certain to advance from a DCMP to Houston.

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Courtesy of @Techno-1155
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The “full” context.

In all seriousness, I think this is a great representation of the flaws with the current regional model, as 5 of the top 10 teams remaining unqualified is frankly abhorrent. I know not everyone is a fan of the district model (max seems to be the loudest example right now) but this discussion should keep happening because we should keep searching for a solution, even if that solution might not be exactly like how other parts of the US (and Israel) have implemented it.

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Ok lets have a little talk. So as most people know, I dont like the district model more than the regional model. This is because with regionals, teams that may not have otherwise had an opportunity to go to worlds (Ei winners, rookie all star, winning alliance 2nd pick) all have a chance to go to worlds (albeit some off of wild cards) but they still have the chance. However, with the district model, the EI winners go to dcmp and dont even get a chance to compete with their robot, the winning alliance 2nd pick sure, gets some points but it may not be enough to to to dcmp let alone worlds. And some may say “They will not preform well anyways so why even let them have rhe chance?” And I say everyone deserves a trip to worlds. A chance to talk with people that you would have otherwise never talked to. A chance to see top robots up close. A chance to make connections at the career fair. A chance to have fun with your team and explore a new city. And that magical experience for teams with lower caliber robots is not something districts offer. Now, enough of stating my case. There is a solution that I like and I am sure the (many?) other regional advocates will agree with. 1st, keep regionals the same but as has been pointed out many times before, add a universal points system. The points are awarded akin to district points, but instead of qualing you for a dcmp, the amount of points you have after your first 2 regionals determines the total number of points you have. After you earn the points, if you do not qual for worlds, you can request to be put on the “Secondary Waitlist” for worlds. This comes after the primary waitlist and is merit based such that the regional teams with the most universal points get into worlds first. But I will still by my idea that districts aren’t the best fit for ny. Thank you for your time.

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I dont know where your info is from, but all impact winners get to compete at DCMP with their robot. You are correct that IE doesn’t, but that’s almost exclusively because of Michigan having to limit their Championship to 160 teams and not wanting 30 impact bots along with 30 IE bots.

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The what? Please explain how Green Devil Bots qualified and competed at MSC then.

Again, MSC has a career fair, many district and regional events also have their own mini fairs from my observations.

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I see mb i thought it was for both ill fix that

As noted above, incorrect. If you’re going to argue for or against something, you should verify your claims.

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Are any of the fairs as large as the one at worlds with mega companies such as disney attending?

The mega companies known as Magna, Ford, Consumers Energy, DTE and others were probably there. I don’t know exactly because I didn’t attend this year, but it’s usually around 1/2 the size from my recollection.

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Depends a lot on year and region. In general, the Worlds one is the best, however MSC usually has a really good one with most of the best employers in the state and a few from surrounding states. Really just depends on how well organized your district is. I don’t think PNW had one this year unless i missed it. Most DCMP career fairs are like the events themselves, regionally localized.

I wouldn’t say it’s the main selling point of a district model. There’s many reasons I love districts more than regionals, but realistically the career fairs are fine. And it’s not like districts existing is sending less kids to worlds. Same amount of teams will be at worlds no matter what. The district career fairs give access for more teams who wouldn’t make worlds to participate in a career fair at all.

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Counter point: there is a career fair at every regional event. Albeit, certainty not as large as the one at worlds and likely not as large as the ones at dcmp but ther is a career fair.

Great! Whats the big deal then, because it seems every event no matter the model has one.

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“Every” is probably not accurate. Maybe most of them but I can guaranteed I’ve seen more than one regional without a career fair. Maybe all the New York ones do. I’ve never competed up there. Like I said, all comes down to how well organized any individual event is

District events? Not just dcmp?

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If career fairs are the MOST important thing to you about the regional model then you’re probably right, however I think this is getting off topic.

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So while I do not think that the district system is without err, I feel some of the issues you bring up are not as big of a barrier to the introduction of a district system.

And I say everyone deserves a trip to worlds. A chance to talk with people that you would have otherwise never talked to. A chance to see top robots up close. A chance to make connections at the career fair. A chance to have fun with your team and explore a new city.

Everyone can travel to worlds, and sign up as a spectator to attend. As a spectator, you are not barred from doing any of the actions described. Additionally, there are still award slots for each region, so teams without the resources to build a high performance robot still have a chance to qualify for worlds. Each district has reserved slots for Impact, EI, and RAS, which scale with the size of the district.

I do think that a DCMP event, with a higher level of play, would attract more companies to a career fair being hosted at the event; however, if it comes with the loss of the individual regional event career fairs, it could be argued that it does disproportionately disparage the teams who could not qualify for DCMP.

For the mid-high level teams who attend two events every year, the district system is much more cost efficient, and also provides a higher level of play that they can then show to potential sponsors to highlight their performance, instead of a digital Champs/No Champs season. The extra event also provides an opportunity for teams to further improve their robots whether it is through extra driver practice or tuning mechanisms such as the shooter (in the New York area, teams that attended three events seem to perform their best in their third event, although that is based off of teams I’ve personally encountered and don’t have concrete evidence to back up that claim).

I think one of the bigger issues with a district model is the costs for the low resource teams.
Particularly up in the more rural areas of upstate NY, where the density of potential sponsors is much less than in many other urban or suburban areas of the state and also the country at large, teams may face difficulties funding the travel to two district events, a district championship, and world champs. Especially if these teams are just playing one event for the experience of competition, moving to a district with smaller events would greatly diminish the experience for these teams, and if they can’t afford the travel for two events, the district system actually costs them more than a single regional.

How New York is currently run is another snag point for the districts. Districts would likely involve unifying the currently three organizations responsible for running FIRST events in the state, and the current vibe I get is that none of them really want to merge. Although the New York and Long Island organizations only run one FRC event each year, they both seem to have flourishing FTC and FLL programs.

The UPS does provide a middle ground between the regionals system and the district model, and also seems to (in New York at least) provide an opportunity for teams with the means to attend only one event to still qualify for World Championships, provided they work well at their single event.

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That is correct, however some students may not have the funds to do so without help from the school /district and the school/ district has no motivation to pay unless the team “earns” the right to go

No, that’s not correct.

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