One of the strangest FRC matches

[JimWright949]

Hello all,

I’m working on putting all of the DVDs I recorded from FRC events on-line. I finally got to match 54 of the 2003 Seattle Regional. It’s a very strange match.

https://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2003wa_qm54

Blair’s commentary is very good on this one, plus it allowed him to become very creative.

-Jim

[lcraig910]

This match is very similar to this 1 vs. 0 from the 2008 Waterloo Regional, except at Waterloo the alliance with the working robot was able to (barely) win, while the match you found has the two non-functioning robots winning.

[msoucy]

During the match, the score for the blue alliance was reported as 5, but in the final results it was 0. Based on the game video, shouldn’t their final score have been 5?

[Billfred]

If you ever hear someone bemoaning the Kit of Parts drivetrain, show them this video.

During the match, the score for the blue alliance was reported as 5, but in the final results it was 0. Based on the game video, shouldn’t their final score have been 5?

A few things to keep in mind:

1. Real-time scoring back then was hardly official. Referees would count after each match.
2. Looking at SC8 (PDF link), the stack itself had no point value–it was simply your multiplier. We see in the video that the red alliance built a stack of 7, then left one beside it. 17=7. The blue alliance builds a stack of 5 in their scoring zone, but toss the remainder on the gray carpet that doesn’t score. 05=0.

[Francis-134]

During the match, the score for the blue alliance was reported as 5, but in the final results it was 0. Based on the game video, shouldn’t their final score have been 5?

Zero is an accurate score for that match. You got points equal to your tallest stack, multiplied by the number of scored totes not in that tallest stack. They only had a stack of 5 with no loose totes, so 5 * 0 = 0.

Which means, that 7 points is the lowest, non-zero score you can get with 8 legally scored totes. Welcome to 2003 everyone!

[GeeTwo]

During the match, the score for the blue alliance was reported as 5, but in the final results it was 0. Based on the game video, shouldn’t their final score have been 5?

7.6 Scoring
All containers within the alliance’s scoring zone will be worth one point each EXCEPT the containers in the tallest stack. The total number of one-point containers will determine the base score for the alliance. The tallest stack of containers within the scoring zone is the “multiplier stack.” Containers in the multiplier stack are worth zero points each (note that containers in other stacks of the same height are worth one point each). The total base score is then multiplied by the height in whole Stack Height Units (SHU) of the multiplier stack. A whole Stack Height Unit (15-1/4 inches) is the height of an individual container as it sits flat on its bottom. More than one stack of the same height does not affect the multiplier. Whole Stack Height Units will be measured with an Official Stack Height Measuring device. The details of this device will be released at a later date.
An additional 25 points will be awarded to each robot that is touching only the top of the platform at the end of the match.
Both teams in the losing alliance get their own alliance score in Qualifying Points (QP’s). Both teams in the winning alliance get their own score plus twice the losing alliance’s score in QP’s. A tie awards the total of the match points to both alliances in QP’s.

We never get to see what stacks the HPs set up on the blue side of the field. I’m guessing it’s either a single stack of 5, or 5 stacks of 1, either of which would give (if I’m reading the scoring rules correctly) a score of zero. Red’s score is based on the multiplier stack being 7 and there being one stack of 1, 7 x 1 = 7 + 0 (opponent’s score) = 7.

Edit: Double Sniped

[Richard_Wallace]

Blair’s commentary is very good on this one, plus it allowed him to become very creative.

The hokey pokey song was a fitting end for that match.

[Lil_Lavery]

If you ever hear someone bemoaning the Kit of Parts drivetrain, show them this video.

Same with overly harsh penalties and/or game design. We forget how far we’ve come!

[Jared_Russell]

Sadly, matches like this didn’t used to be all that strange in FRC.

[Mr_V]

Thanks for uploading these Jim, it is great to see stuff from before I was involved and it is cool seeing younger versions of many people who are still active.