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Remind you of something?
Here’s a few specs…

The drive consists of:
12x - 4" VEXPro Traction Wheels in 1.5" wide configuration
2x - VEXPro 3-CIM Ball Shifters with 9.07:1 High Gear and 24:1 Low Gear
22x - 50-tooth VEXPro gears for the wheels and idlers
4x - CIM motors (2 on each gearbox)
2x - MiniCIM motors (1 on each gearbox)

  • Each wheel is combined with a 50-tooth gear via a VEXPro Versa Hub.
  • Two wheels are directly driven via Hex output from the gearboxes.
  • All 6 wheels on each side are driven via connecting 50-tooth idler gears (not shown in this picture) in a 1:1 ratio.
    *]The wheels are aligned on a 32’ arc, allowing for easy turning with minimal scrub.

Cross your fingers that it will turn without popping the breakers.

Actually, they’re missing a couple of wheels. (2007 joke)

If it’s anything like what they’ve done before, the wheels are in a bit of an arc, so it acts more like a 6WD drop than a 4WD “bounce turn”.

Looks like it’d be more of an 8WD, but I could be wrong.

I don’t see this as having much higher turning scrub than a six wheel drive. In theory, this system would behave like a tread drive and this would turn even without drop. I guess we shall see!

I agree, looks like they are set in pairs.

If I were holding the joysticks in this case :smiley: :
http://www.avirra.ru/uploads/posts/2011-09/1316595744_clarkson-power.jpg

Is this a similar design to what your team ran in 2008? If so, what reliability changes were made?

2008 robot
Context (Still one of the classiest decisions in FIRST history)

Yes. Can you sent a video with it running

Oh god. it’s back.

Hey! That’s almost as many wheels as ours.

Adding wheels doesn’t really increase your traction/pushing power, does it? I’m sure that the extra width helps, but not the number.

Adding surface area in contact with the ground (up to a point) increases traction. It doesn’t matter if it’s through wider wheels, or more wheels. If friction worked just the way the coefficient of friction says it will, then neither width nor number of wheels will affect traction at all. You could have three 0.1" thick wheels, and have the same amount traction, but friction doesn’t follow the super simple columbic prediction, especially on carpet.

Yeah, I doubt that all of those wheels are on the ground at the same time though, unless they don’t want to turn.

How long are you going to have in a pushing match with a 6 cim drive before you start popping breakers?

Love it!

This makes me glad we chose 6CIM drive.

Actually, they’re missing a couple of wheels. (2007 joke)

If it’s anything like what they’ve done before, the wheels are in a bit of an arc, so it acts more like a 6WD drop than a 4WD “bounce turn”.
Looks like it’d be more of an 8WD, but I could be wrong.
I don’t see this as having much higher turning scrub than a six wheel drive. In theory, this system would behave like a tread drive and this would turn even without drop. I guess we shall see![/quote]

Our wheels are set at a 32 foot arc, which allows the drive to act, more or less, like a 6 or 8 wheel drive at any given time. What we’ve found over the years, however, is that during a pushing match with a typical 6WD robot, the forces of the two robots can actually push 6WD robots onto their back set of wheels and lift their front and middle ones up (even just a little), thus reducing their traction and making them effectively 2WD robots. Having extra wheels on an arc helps ensure constant contact with the floor during all conditions.

That pretty much sums up what I’m expecting.

2008 was an interesting case, we had a situation where we had a custom gearbox, that had a 3rd stage consisting of an 8 tooth gear that undercut a 50+ tooth cast iron gear, which was custom made (with a 3 week lead time to get more) and we had forgotten spares (and we were in Canada). This years robot, by comparison, uses standard VEXPro 3 CIM Ball Shifters, with parts we can get easily, and if necessary pick up from The Robot Space (one of the new VEXPro partners), less than an hour away.

The drive system itself is also much closer to our 2007 bot due to the use of gears to drive the wheels, rather than chain, and a very similar gearbox configuration to the drive we had that year. With the exception of a bearing failure in the finals of West Michigan (which we went on to win anyways), there was virtually no reliability issues with the 2007 drive system.

Soon, I’m hoping we have it driving next week.

Adding surface area in contact with the ground (up to a point) increases traction. It doesn’t matter if it’s through wider wheels, or more wheels. If friction worked just the way the coefficient of friction says it will, then neither width nor number of wheels will affect traction at all. You could have three 0.1" thick wheels, and have the same amount traction, but friction doesn’t follow the super simple columbic prediction, especially on carpet.[/quote]

Exactly, our wheels this year are also wider than we’ve used before (1.5in wide this year, compared to 1in past years), so we’re hoping they will provide us with a bit more traction.

We had no issues with the individual 40A breakers on our 2007 robot (the predecessor to this design), now, whether or not the 2 additional MiniCIMs cause the main breaker to pop is another question. We’re using such a low low-gear that we should loose traction before stalling the motors though (at least, this has been the case on past machines).

Apologies for the wall of text, just figured I’d answer all the questions in one go. :rolleyes:

Their 2007 'bot for reference.

well, you should be fine operating at 39amps per motor for a while
And if you are worried about the 234 amps on the main breaker, allow me to show you the current graph as per the manufacturer

http://s27.postimg.org/5g0qv5byp/breaker.jpg

As you can see, you can draw 200% (240 amps) for 10 seconds minimum, as per the specifications

EDIT: link fixed?

link is broken, please try again. I’m worried about the snap fuses. I’ve seen what a resetting snap fuse does to a robots drive train. It isn’t pretty.