What is the most lopsided score in Ultimate Ascent? How about beating someone by over 500?
The automatic scoring was on the blink for a bit, but allowed a fun shot of an amazing, yet incorrect, score at Peachtree.
What is the most lopsided score in Ultimate Ascent? How about beating someone by over 500?
Sorry, Finger Lake’s got you beat https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/281806_846866705326_1713411548_n.jpg
:rolleyes:
Would you happen to know what caused these scoring glitches? They appeared relatively frequent to me. Was it the new weight-based scoring system acting up?
I don’t know where, but the highest I’ve heard is 1008 points, or 336 frisbees in the top goal. I’d like to congratulate the team who figured out how to quickly 3-D print frisbees into the goal from their robot :rolleyes:
And that’s why the new way of calculating scores isn’t the best.
These scores, from what I understand have been contained to mostly the 1st and 2nd week regional. From week 1 to week 2 FIRST implemented a different scoring system. In the blog post they just said it was going to be changed.
What is the new system? I haven’t heard anything about this change and am rather curious.
Just volunteered at an event this past week, and was this close to doing field reset (so I would have gotten to see first hand what’s going on), but I ended up in Pit Admin which was the opposite side of the building. Needless to say, I didn’t see much 'til the playoffs.
Haven’t really heard/seen any crazy scores since week 1 coincidentally, so this would make sense.
One of my co-mentors did field reset at KC, and they basically had a small army of field reset and scoring volunteers counting discs as they went in, and hand signaling them to the scoring table. Then they’d count them again post-match to confirm score.
The weight sensors are used for real time scoring, and for most matches they were within 1 disk of the correct score at GTR East. The manual count is the score used in the rankings.
If the real time score is close, they won’t publish the score overhead until the manual count is in, but if the real time score has 1 alliance far ahead they will announce the score right away, and make manual changes afterwords.
Bravo, indeed it does!
It wasn’t for this picture but during the practice day at the Pittsburgh regional every blue score showed about ~330 points regardless of how many frisbees they had put into the goal. One of the field reset people told us that a sensor on the blue high goal was broken and would be replaced before the qualification matches actually begin. After that, it was correct 99% of the time with some occasional oddities. (Such as frisbees seeming to disappear from the goal as far as score)
From what I saw volunteering at GTREast:
The weight sensors are small load cells that are relatively fragile. They read out in Volts, and the difference between an empty goal, and a fully loaded goal is ~1V.
The scoring system is then calibrated to the sensors. I presume if the sensor breaks, its output slams to the input voltage (5V? 12V? not sure), which explains the readings being orders of magnitude off.
The scores have not been contained to weeks 1 and 2. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them off this week as well. While the spread isn’t as bad as it was in week 1 it still is not correct. In some instances the regionals aren’t re-calibrating the scoring system and they are not hand counting the frisbees, solely relying on the scoring system. We re-ran match footage, included penalty scores, and the final scores were still off by ~20 points…
/randt
My $0.02.
What are you calling “final score”? The score they display at the regional on the screen after the match is not necessarily the “Final score”.
As far as I understood it, the FTA’s had been instructed to have manual counts done for all matches, not just close ones. In blowouts, they decided to not wait until the count was finished to announce the score. This is why the 1114/2056/1325 alliance’s top score of 211 was shown on the big screen as 204.
Are you absolutely sure they are not hand-counting frisbees? Sometimes they will display a score before they correct it with a hand count, but only if the match outcome is obvious. The updated score in this case is put into the ranking system but not announced.
Yes, at one event so far my answer is yes. There is no way the frisbees were hand counted because the final posted score does not match the score when you replay the video of the match…
But it happens and getting these things to be consistent at each event is a challenge.
From what I experienced as a volunteer doing Field Reset at Pittsburgh was this:
FIRST found out the sensors were a bit wonky in week 1 and week 2 so they started having some field reset people and volunteers count the frisbees. The weight sensors would only be used, like people said before, for real time scoring and could very well be off.
What Pittsburgh ended up doing was having the Field Reset people both count during the match and actually take out the frisbees from each goal at the end of the match, count and log them with the scorekeeper. The scorekeeper will then log everything, including penalties and pyramid goals and climb points and such, and then show the “Final Score” (the score that will be the “official score” used for everything needing it like the Qualification system and such). The score that people see during the match and immediately after is the estimated score based solely on the weight sensors in the goals (which can and have been off before)
Going into the future, I think they’re probably going to require that regionals hand count frisbees to avoid errors in scoring, especially when a match is a close one.
One minor clarification: FIRST has been hand counting frisbees after the match and having a volunteer give a count during auto since week 1 at BAE. I’m really, really surprised that some events didn’t get the memo.
Were the 20 missing points maybe invalid climbs? May we see the video?
I was a field reset volunteer for Peachtree and I noticed that when this happened a Frisbee somehow got wedged in a very precarious position in the goal pushing the lexan “weight plate” down.