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#13

I know I will get bad rep. for this, but I feel it needs to be said.

Look, sorry to be blunt here, but do we always have to be so anal retentive to the logo standards? I really think that FIRST just intended them as guidelines for teams so that their logo would not be abused. Same way in which the BSA copyright protects the scout uniform.

If FIRST was so restrictive and cautious about uses of itā€™s logo, wouldnā€™t it enforce the rules itself?

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This dosnā€™t represent the opinions of my team, school, yada yada yadaā€¦

#14

I believe FIRST trusts that based on gracious professionalism we we comply to the standards on our own free will. They should be fallowed when ever possible but it is not required under penalty of death. Yet with a project that you would want direct approval of FIRST you might want to comply to their rules before asking for their approval.

I also believe these standards are there in case FIRST is in a position when legal action must be taken if the logo is being used disrespectfully or illegally and the creator refuses to change it, they have the standards there set in stone.

#15

Where would they find the manpower to do this?

Itā€™s understood that the rules are there to be followed. This is the entire concept of gracious professionalismā€“just because a rule can be broken with nobody knowing doesnā€™t mean that it becomes OK, or you should do it.

#16

its not FIRST that is being so picky, it is the government regulations regarding logos and trademarks.

A registered trademark is granted only on the exact copy that an organization submits on a form that says ā€œTHISā€ is our logo or trademark.

The only thing you are allowed to alter on your registered trademark is the size and color variations (color / two tone / B&Wā€¦) to allow for printing technology variations.

If you think about this for a minute it will make sense. For example: for many years the trademark of Xerox was a stylized ā€˜Xā€™. Xerox cannot own the letter X, only the exact font and proportions and style of the specific one they submitted artwork for. If this were not the case then either:

  1. you would not be able to use any english characters or words as a logo, because you would then own ALL variations of those characters or words or

  2. everyone would have to get permission from Xerox to use the letter X in any printed form (because they would own every possible variation of the letter X !)

For these reasons any official use of the FIRST logo must conform exactly to the artwork that FIRST has registered (and provided to teams on their websites). If someone else makes a logo or trademark that is similar (but not the same) then its up to a judge to decide if they are infringing on the registered trademark.

If an organization does not adhere to the exact artwork of their trademarks, allowing their own organization or others to use variations of it, then they will lose all rights to it.

#17

Ok, So back to FIRSTopoly. If you extend the lines to where they would be legal, I think that the shape change would be pretty cool.

#18

Please pardon me for being hasty, but I was wondering why some of the people are focusing on the making of a monopoly game for FIRST while there is THE original Monopoly game, and there are so many opportunities these people can use the time to focus on more higher priorities like website projects, team management preparation, community service, PROMOTE FIRST, and etc.

Come on guys! I am a mentor, and I have learned AND am still learning from the experience.

I suggests you not to sit around playing monopoly when you can play at a geekā€™s sleepover or a party anytime.

GO do something to make the difference! All of the people I have met who are the first generation of FIRST told me that they have done so many illegal moves OR new moves that caused FIRST to change or add its own rules! Make FIRST trip out and show the organization that you need more challenge or tell them to bring the ultimate in.

That was my RAWR RANT and thanks for your cooperation. :slight_smile:

-WJS

#19

1- seems to be a popular idea

2- puts programming skills to work

3- could be used as a fundraising tool for teams

#20

You are better off getting more sponsors than doing fundraising. . .

-WJS

#21

I donā€™t know, I kind of see it as a way to spread the word of FIRST and bring FIRSTers togetherā€¦ along with above mentioned things

#22

The why? Because they want to do it and think itā€™s fun.

In terms of the logo, approve or not, itā€™s there and itā€™s legal. Stop complaining and just follow it. If you donā€™t like it, make a petition, Iā€™m sure itā€™s the most important thing that would be on their plates.

As a side note, if anyone intends to use something like this as a fundraiser, Iā€™m guessing that FIRST would like to know that something using their logo, name, concept, etc. is being used to make money.

#23

Steve,

I think you have read enough about the rule violation for the logo. So, I am not going to write about the same thing. perhapsā€¦ I will try to give you some suggestions.

ā€¦ hats off to you for trying to create a game. I would like to play this game sometime. I think it was pointed out in this thread before that you would contact FIRST about using the logo, my suggestion would be, call FIRST asap, let them know what you are trying to do, show them the purpose of this and get it cleared up now, so we can resume a normal conversation about your game and give you our input. Good luck Steve.

#24

Hey Steve, I think the board looks cute. The legality of it isnā€™t in my hands but mad props anyway.

#25

Count the teams that people who are partaking in this come from.

It isnā€™t a competition, but itā€™s something aside from a competition that can bring FIRST students from across the country to work together on something fun.

We canā€™t spontaneously say to our friends across the country ā€œHey, letā€™s play Monopoly sometime!ā€

Itā€™s not like weā€™re spending all waking hours of the day working on this.

#26

to live a balanced life you should spend about 1/3 rd of your time working

1/3 rd learning

and 1/3 rd of your time resting, relaxing, or playing (recreation).

if you sacrific one or more of these areas of your life then you will suffer, your life will literally be out of balance.

There is something unique about the way the human brain works. If you focus on one task continuously your mind often becomes deadlocked - your thinking gets stuck and you cant find answers or the solve the problem you are working on

but when you stop and take a break and go do something else then very often the answer you were looking for simply pops into your head.

It doesnt make any sense, but its true.

#27

OK, this is all fun and good emotionally guys, but let me comment on the board.

Now, I think the design is cute. Donā€™t get me wrong.

But it is going to get crowded if it stays the way it is. Leave some space for prettiness sake - it can already be hard to crowd all of your hotels/houses into a neat little row in Monopoly - this board looks even more cramped. Space would not diminish your design - it would actually improve it, in my opinion.

#28

Very Good point!!
Although I think it would NEAT if it was shaped like the logo there would be hardly any room. It hard enough to play Monopoly with 2 people on the original board I couldnā€™t several people on a smaller board with less space playing comfortably. (Thats my Opinion)

#29

Why does this even have to be a modded monopoly? I am sure there is a monopoly computer game and it would be much easier to mod that version into a FIRSTopoly if you want, yet honestly I do not like the idea of FIRSTopoly. It shows things only those involved in FIRST would understand.
I think a game like LIFE where you start off as a Rookie team, and balance your team, robot, school and sponsors all the way to nationals. This would actually explain the process of FIRST and not limit it to one years game.

#30

Never thought of that. That actually sounds like a pretty cool idea :slight_smile:

#31

I think Monopoly needs yet another board variation. :rolleyes: Honestly, I think the novelty of it would wear off quickly. ā€œI just want to call it boardwalk! 'Deanā€™s Mansion just doesnā€™t sound right.ā€

So a unique FIRST game sounds much more appealing to me.

#32