YMTC: 41 hangs but the wheel tread breaks, drops down and makes contact with the platform.
50 point for hanging or not?
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Ans: referee rules a NO HANG.
awwww, comon, that really sucks. They totally deserved the hang. They were emphasizing the idea of following the meaning of the rules, not being lawyers, and yet this is the kinda call they give. Now imagine this, the tread breaks, and seperates from the robot somewhere away from the top platform. They would totally have been given the hang. Many robots have left stuff on the field and not had rulings like this.
plz don’t rag on the refs…they do what they think is best…it may not always the way some teams want the rules to be, but that is how they interpret them…
No hang for u!
Team 25 had a belt fall in Annapolis and weren’t counted as hanging either.
we (341) had our telescoping pole slip out and hit the HDPE. unfortunately, it was on the opposite side of our driver station so our drivers didnt see it and winch up enough.
they should hang b/c i would call it as them being supported by the chin up bar. i believe the score was changed in they’re favor after careful and honest thought. don’t remember though.
Ditto that, the refs do there best and I doubt they woudl have called it that way if they felt they honestly could. It is not like they are out their with a persoanl vandetta… they are volunteers so the must be doing it for the love of the game and obviously there is nothgin better then watching a team succeed and win sometimes they have to make some tough calls, and just need to call it as they see it
i think they should have gotten it (my opinion) becasue they are supported by the bar. Also if you were to remove the belt, it would still be hanging. Its not like its holding the bot up… One again not my call, but just my opinion
Oh they definitely deserved to hang, but the robot broke and could not meet the requirements to hang in the (I would definitely say correct) judgement of the refs; the fact that the chin-up device works and almost all of the weight is supported does not mean the robot is hanging. So many people take cheap shots at ‘lawyers’ here because of incidents like this one and also instances where a team comes up with an idea that others didn’t because the others didn’t properly read the rules. I hear the University of Western Ontario has a 6-year honours engineering/law school course, that some people here might want to take :).
Another aside: In my opinion it is completely acceptable and neccesary to come down on the refs when they make an improper call. It’s also important to prevent it from happening again. It is not appropriate to disrespect them or their authority, and I think a lot of people do not see the difference. It has to be kept in mind also that the refs are volunteering in most cases and *want *to be as fair as possible.
You are all correct with the fact that the belt is not supporting the robot. However, you forget the rest of the definition of hanging.
HANGING – A ROBOT is considered HANGING from the Pull-Up Bar if it is directly SUPPORTED by the horizontal bar and is not touching the carpet, platforms, or goals.
Therefor, it does not count. You’ve got to remember ALL the rules, not just the ones that were discussed a lot.
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I would say they were hanging… just because that rule quoted above is extremely narrow and should be revised. In any game, molecules (lol) from the robot’s wheel/tread will be lost due to friction from the carpet… there will be banging, ramming into the other robots, etc, and some fragments will be left on the field… Just look at all the pieces/flakes under the ramp from last year’s stack attack game. So based on that rule above, I would either have to say, no robot can hang, or I could say that if it’s a situation like team 41, I’d count them as hanging. So what if a piece falls off. But too late to change that now 
If a molecule falls off then it’s not part of the robot anymore and doesn’t count.
In the picture, the belt is still on the robot and touching the platform, so they don’t count.
“Don’t be a lawyer”, or something like that.
Something very similar happened in one of our matches actually, except it was with a chain and the refs called it a no hang. But it was a good call because if I remember correctly the rules state that if any part of your robot is touching.
I say no hang. They are touching. How would you feel if you were the other alliance and they counted. I don’t think they deserved it because every other team had to build their robot to withstand hits and things breaking so that they would not be touching the platform.
Atleast all of the refs’ decisions are uniform. Every example that has so far been given of similar incidents they were ruled as a no hang as well this one for 41. If half of those were counted and the other half were not then I would be cocerned, however, with all of the judges seeming to agree that it is a no hang, then that must be the rule and not up to interpretation.
I’m sorry my post, was a little to harsh, i edited it. You guys are right, the refs obviously had no bad intentions in mind, its just that its a little frustrating when it seems like your playing by two different sets of rules. Once again, i apologize.
Yes it is frustrating. We were having some operator (me) errors and when we first hung in the real competition our back piece of Lexan with our numbers on it was being held on by one cable tie and was touching the platform and it didn’t count as a hang. The refs made the right call because of the specifics of the rules it was just a lil frustrating to lose the round.
Isn’t that the same as saying “well, we had our hook up on the bar but didn’t have the time to winch up. But if you removed our wheels we would be hanging.”
The belt is still a part of the robot and is touching the platform. Looking at the rules, I agree with the call that it’s not hanging.
Yea, that match really did suck. We sheared our left drive pully and we managed to get up and hang with only our right side operational. Cruel twist of fate. Luckily we got someone to the machine shop to make another timing pulley from some Al bar stock. In the meantime, we used the dremel to make new notches!
Thanks to whomever took that pic!