Will real time scoring be in play this year? I can’t find anything in “The Arena” section mentioning any kind of sensor in the goals. I think RTS is invaluable and it would be a shame to see it go. Am I missing something?
I think I read somewhere that there would be weight sensors in the goals to count the disks, but I need to find the source. I’ll go look.
Here’s the source…
…though it says nothing about real-time scoring.
Field tour videos on YouTube say there will be RTS using weight sensors on the goals.
Haha thanks, I watched those last night and completely forgot. Maybe I should sleep
I imagine there will also be some hand-correction on the sensored goals post-match in the event you’ve got a disc or two balanced on the lip of a goal at the end, which would make the weight undercount but still counts as scored per the definition of scored.
A DISC is considered SCORED in an ALLIANCE’S GOAL if any part of the DISC has crossed through the opening of the GOAL, is in the GOAL at the end of the MATCH, and is not in contact with any ROBOT from that ALLIANCE. GOAL openings are outlined in yellow in Figure 3-2 and Figure 3-3.
Additionally, for a DISC to be considered SCORED in an ALLIANCE’S PYRAMID GOAL, it must correspond to the PYRAMID color.
I can’t think of any practical way to accurately machine-score the pyramids, since color counts. I imagine it will be slightly inconvenient, but the game sounds like it will be a real delight to play and watch.
The video said pyramid goals would be manually scored.
I wouldn’t be surprised if there isn’t. The goals will be calibrated “several times” throughout the event, but I doubt they will take the time to “double check” every match (unless something is obviously wrong). I would say there is a chance they might double check during elimination rounds, but even then they might not.
With Rebound Rumble, the policy was essentially “RTS score is final score.” So I would anticipate that is the philosophy again this year.
I went to the Kickoff event in Manchester, NH where they had a field setup. The discs are indeed measured by weight to determine score, and when we asked the field crew there if they would count discs that were not fully on the bottom of the goal, but were resting on the lip as described above, they insisted they would be counted. I would wage a guess that since they know each disc is 180g, they’ll just round to the nearest one using software.
They also had the stands setup for the manual scoring by the refs (touch screens on stands), so that would likely be used for the pyramid score tracking.
I noticed one of the answers to the Q&A confirmed that if a disc fell out, that it would no longer count. Weight scoring can account for that.
Now, is there a rule that prevents you from taking discs out of the competitors goal?
Robots can’t legally be tall enough to reach into the 2 and 3 point goals, and you can’t climb your opponent’s pyramid, so those are definitely out. I would imagine doing it in the 1 point goal would get you penalties for touching something outside the field.
G22, because you can’t get high enough to contact the goals. I suppose you could descore from the low goal, but it doesn’t seem worth it to me and I expect the GDC will close the loophole quicker than we fall for being RickRolled when they find out about it.
The low goal is considered to be part of the field.
See this thread:
Right, I remember reading that. But as Max said, there’s no way that’s going to be legal by March.
On the other hand, by placing your robot in the opposing goal, you could possibly add more weight to the sensor.
So they would suddenly have a score of 50… :rolleyes: