During Auto and Teleop, there is no mechanism to score the coral on the reef or Algae in the barge net, so we will have official scorer positions this year. I have filled this role many times, and am always excited to be an integral part of the game when it comes up.
This year, the rules for keeping track of the coral score locations are going to be an absolute nightmare for the scorers. There are so many small posts on each reef, it will be really difficult to know exactly which branch has a coral on it, especially when they start to get loaded up near the end of the matches.
This might not be such a big deal, except for the Auto points counting (and then uncounting if removed) each coral specific location. I would like to propose a discussion about only keeping track of which level has coral and make all four levels have the score / descore rules the same as level 1.
6.5.1 (Snipped)
“CORAL scored in the trough is not tracked by specific location, if a CORAL is removed from the trough after
AUTO, the points removed will correspond to the lowest scoring CORAL (i.e. TELEOP CORAL removed first); if
CORAL is re-scored in the trough, points will be re-added in the reverse order (i.e. AUTO CORAL re-added first).”
I would hate to have a scoring miss click that cost a team points that they earned in auto.
Counting carts? Unload by level into a cart with 4 matching levels marked for counting. Use cart to reload stations. If robots are at the cages, there should be decent access. It would take longer to get robots off but might not extend match cycle times much since it is part of field reset anyway.
Most of those “if unscored” autonomous-related rules will almost certainly be handled by FMS internally. I would strongly suspect an official scorer only needs to confirm piece placement on the tablet and confirm the entry at end of auto and go back to scoring normally.
Now if they are going to have L1 + each individual peg on the reef on the tablet, or some “count of” each level, I don’t know. If it’s each individual peg to be tracked, I hope the ref doen’t need the tablet to put in fouls.
Per the last bit of section 5.3, each branch is individually tracked in the FMS, which is consistent with the language OP quoted stating that L1 specifically is not tracked by location. 5.3 even shows how each branch is labelled (the branches facing the corresponding alliance station are A and B, and they work counterclockwise from there).
I’d agree that this suggests the unscoring stuff is handled automatically.
can do both, enter as observed on a best effort basis, and confirm at the end of the match. It is going to be hard to count 48 scoring positions on a round object with possibly some remaining algae obstructions.
I think the OP is concerned about counting the pieces after Auto not after end of game. It’s easy to count at the end of game, mistakes may be made during auto.
By the rules, if a piece is score in L3 position 1 (call this L3P1) in auto and then removed, you don’t get the auto points. If it is scored in auto, then removed and put back you get the auto points, not teleop points.
So issue could be if a mistake is made during auto:
Example 1: Suppose a piece scored in auto in L3P1, but labeled L3P2 by accident. At end of game, no auto points since L3P2 is empty, teleop points because L3P1 is full.
Example 2: Suppose a piece scored in auto in L3P1, but labeled L3P2 by accident, the during teleop piece in L3P1 is removed and piece in L3P2 is added. This should be only teleop score for piece in L3P2, but because of accidentally mistake in auto, it will be score as an auto.
Each reef has two components called “scorekeeper triangle” placed between C & D and between I & J. Together they divide the reef into two halves, so presumably the intention is that those halves are assigned to two official scorers, but the orientation is diagonal, so one scorer would have to stand by the left coral station, and one near the processor.
Or maybe the scorer on the lower side stands near to the CORAL STATION, and scores A through F; the other scorer stands closer to midfield and scores G through L. (The triangle points toward the scorer). Eventually it will be covered in training.
That’s a possibility, with the triangle pointing to (away from?) the scorer, and also marking the centre of the area of responsibility. Dividing it A–F and G–L also makes more sense. It just seems unlikely to me that the edge of the area of responsibility would not be marked, leaving them to count three either side of the mark. Either way, I don’t envy the official scorers their job.
Most of these replies are confirming where my main thoughts were. I am not really seeing the benefit of keeping track of every single discreet location of coral, since you can’t do it for the trough area anyway. I think it is just needlessly complicating the scoring inputs, and possibly unintentionally affecting the live and end of match scores due to human error.
Luckily for me this year I have been promoted to Field Supervisor, so I won’t be counting coral except between matches.
Scorers or Refs need to target line exits in Auto, Coral on the Reef, Algae in the Net, and endgame Cage/park points, as well as fouls of all types, simultaneously. It’s not going to be fun for them.
Every year that I have filled the role, there have been 4 scorers (one for each ref position) and at least one or two alternates, so you can rotate in for breaks and stuff. Two scorers per alliance end was fine for the Deep Space cargo and hatches, but this is going to be much more difficult. At the end of Auto and at the end of play, the referee is supposed to double check the data entries by the scorer, but I don’t see how they can do this effectively if they need to verify 18 coral locations, count the coral in the trough and algae in the barge, while still watching the field for fouls and stuff. If they had a (thinking about this, they might collapse the data this way for the referee) total count per level of coral, it would be much easier.
In the 2023 scorer interface, pieces marked in auto carried through into teleop. Since they were still visible to the scorer, this would be a pretty hard mistake to make, since it would require the scorer to deliberately remove a piece that hadn’t been removed and add another. If a scorer notices an error after they submit auto, they should escalate to a ref or head ref. I would expect a similar process this year.
