School Administration troubles

I agree with JaneYoung above. An ethics/behavior document will state your effort to fix the problem and create the image you are handling the issue internally. It also allows the administration to save face and give input to the rules, lending credibility to them. Never pass up a chance to let admin take credit for your ideas if it will keep the team in good standing.

I also agree with the above post about the second student. Even bad guys do good things, but they still need discipline applied appropriate to the infraction.

I would suggest doing whatever you can to stay with the school. Team 2339 had a serious uphill battle to gain Antelope Valley High School support, but after a few articles in the paper and an invite to the principal to see what we were doing to one of her classrooms, we are on the same page. We still watch our own members and are pretty strict about what everyone does and how they act around school. We also do not assume we are fine now, we still are looking for ways to improve.

You need to be positive with any dealings with the administration.

Make up a presentation and present to the school, the board, Rotary Club, Elks and anyone else that will listen. Keep the presentation positive. Mention the 9 million in scholarships a few times.

Is there a parade that you can march the robot in? That pays off big time in good will.

Go the the administration with an action plan. Listen to what they have to say. There may be other reasons they are taking this opportunity to remove support. Be positive.

Does your financial support come from the school? This may be a simple budget issue. We formed a parents group, got non-profit status and fund the entire program that way.

Keep us in the loop.

The problem is Administrators look for easy solutions. To them they may see it as a way of saving money, and they are just using the disciniplary action as a front for that. I feel my team would have been in a similar boat had we not been able to beat our rival schools in it. Unfortunetly, thats what it takes. You have to let them see the positives of the team, have an administartor come down and watch you guys build. Mention scholarships, and if you have any people persuing engineering.

The biggest thing I see which is sad, the only reason robotics is surviving while autoshop, woodshop, and metalshop classes are being shut down, is that robotics is seen as “white collar” enough. That is a tragedy! My family owns an auto repair, yet many high schools have no auto programs…

I know I rant too much…

Good Luck guys…

Our team is running into major administration obstacles lately like roses smell sweet. Working under these conditions is much more dificult than I could possibly have ever expected. When I speak to the admin. and share my opinions, I remind myself to stay calm and if I feel myself becoming irate I tell myself that the admin. is just part of our " design constraints" and to look at the issue in the view of an engineer.
Good Luck whatever you all decide.

F-ball,

From your second post, it seems to me that maybe your team lost credibility because they tried to defend the actions of the “second student” you mention. For all I know, they could be right. If the second student really had not done anything wrong related to the robotics club, then I think it’s unfair that the administration would kick him/her off the team. However, the “wrongdoings” are strictly private business between the two students and the administration. I’m guessing that you got your information through word of mouth with the two students, and not through the administration (feel free to correct me). If this is the case, then you never know if the school had a legitimate, robotics-related reason to kick the two students off the team. And, even if this is not the case, schools can usually punish students arbitrarily, including kicking them off extracurriculars (this is certainly true at my school).

My point is that either way, I don’t think your team should shrink away from challenges or responsibility. I have to repeat GaryVoshol’s question: why did the team let the second student participate, even after he was kicked out of the club? If you want to rebuild trust with the administration, there is one thing your team has to accept: whether or not you agree with the school’s decision, they trusted the team to enforce it. When the team doesn’t enforce it, they lose the school’s trust (GaryVoshol also said this).

It is up to “the rest of the robotics leadership” and other concerned members of your team to restore trust with the school by speaking with the administrators involved. I don’t think, as many have offered on this thread, that a presentation on the merits of FIRST is necessary. The issue is most likely a trust issue arising out of the fact that the team didn’t enforce school rules by letting the second student participate even after he/she was kicked out. The first thing to do, as I mentioned above, is to take responsibility for the incident, without excuses, without justification. However, if you feel you are strongly justified, you should offer up whatever explanations you have as analysis–why, realistically and historically speaking, the situation unfolded the way it did–not as excuses.

The second step would be to let the administration know that they are being too hasty and overblowing the situation (this is my personal opinion, at least, if what happened is exactly as you described). I agree with fredliu168 and Al Skierkiewicz that a few bad apples don’t represent the entire team. You need to explain to the administration that this was an isolated incident, involving just a couple members. As JohnBoucher mentioned, present to them a plan for the future. You should make it clear that you and the rest of your team are interested in working with them, not against them. In this respect, I disagree with SL8 that the administration could be considered a “design constraint.” Rather, they should be one of your resources.

Thirdly, although I stated above that I believe your team has a trust issue with the school, as opposed to the school simply not understanding the value of FIRST, you should, as Nibbles and EricH suggested, invite them to come to your competition. If they have not attended before, they will understand what they are risking. It becomes easy, as Gboehm said, for the administration to look for the easy solutions. At this point, the administration may be frustrated or annoyed with what has happened with your team. Working day by day at school, they never see the results of your work. If they attend a competition, they will see rows upon rows of students, parents, mentors, and spectators in their differently colored team t-shirts. They will see dozens of unique robots, each proudly bearing team numbers and school names. And, if they look into the pit area, they will see a sea of young people, brightly spirited, and each working hard towards a common goal. The question will come naturally to them: “where’s our team?” They will understand, there, that what you give is what you get.

Best of luck to you and your team this year and in future years; please keep us informed.

I think that you may have taken what I said the wrong way. In considering the admin. a design constraint, I in no way meant that they should be considered a burden or enemy. I do endorse cooperating with them and they have my utmost respect. But when there is an issue that needs to be resolved, I consider it a constraint that I attempt to make into “resource” as with any other constraint.
Nothing personal. Also I’m sorry that this post does’t contribute to the hread, but I felt compelled to rectify this misunderstanding quickly.

-Jesus