Scoring Clarification -- copy of posting in General

Posted by Joe Johnson.   [PICTURE: SAME | NEW | HELP]

Engineer on team #47, Chief Delphi, from Pontiac Central High School and Delphi Automotive Systems.

Posted on 10/20/2000 1:27 PM MST

: Points from Balls in Ramps X Doubler (if any) = Match Score

: If you win: Your Match Score + (2 X Your Oppentent’s Match Score) = Q-points for that Match

: If you loose: Your Match Score + (.5 X Your Oppentent’s Match Score) = Q-points for that Match

: As an exercise for the folks at home, please consider the following situation.

: Suppose the Blue Alliance is winning a seeding match 22 to 10 near the end of a match with the doubler sitting on the center line, which way will Blue be trying to push the square rack? What about the Red Alliance?

: Does the situation change if the score is 22 to 6? 22 to 12?

: Interesting, no? I can’t wait to see how you folks think on your feet.

: Joe J.

Posted by Raul.   [PICTURE: SAME | NEW | HELP]

Engineer on team #111, Wildstang, from Rolling Meadows & Wheeling HS and Motorola.

Posted on 10/22/2000 3:51 PM MST

In Reply to: Scoring Clarification – copy of posting in General posted by Joe Johnson on 10/20/2000 1:27 PM MST:

This is an interesting scoring scheme. In all cases it benefits both teams to maximize all scores.

1)In no case is it better for the winning team to give the doubler to the losing team.

2)In cases where the losing team cannot win even if they get the doubler, the losing team should prefer to give the doubler to the winning team to maximize their score. Unless, they are trying to prove a point.

3)And in #2 above, if the winning team sees that they cannot certainly get the doubler, they should allow the losing team to get it rather than squander the points.

Raul

: : As an exercise for the folks at home, please consider the following situation.

: : Suppose the Blue Alliance is winning a seeding match 22 to 10 near the end of a match with the doubler sitting on the center line, which way will Blue be trying to push the square rack? What about the Red Alliance?

: : Does the situation change if the score is 22 to 6? 22 to 12?

: : Interesting, no? I can’t wait to see how you folks think on your feet.

: : Joe J.

Posted by Mike Aubry.

Engineer on team #47, Chiefs, from Pontiac Central and Delphi .

Posted on 10/23/2000 4:27 AM MST

In Reply to: Re: Scoring Clarification – copy of posting in General posted by Raul on 10/22/2000 3:51 PM MST:

: This is an interesting scoring scheme. In all cases it benefits both teams to maximize all scores.

: 1)In no case is it better for the winning team to give the doubler to the losing team.

: 2)In cases where the losing team cannot win even if they get the doubler, the losing team should prefer to give the doubler to the winning team to maximize their score. Unless, they are trying to prove a point.

: 3)And in #2 above, if the winning team sees that they cannot certainly get the doubler, they should allow the losing team to get it rather than squander the points.

: Raul
Raul, congrats! You’ve done your homework and done it well. Hopefully others aren’t too busy building a defensive machine (so somebody will pick them) to realize how to maximize their score and their chances of moving on to the elimination rounds. Now for the next assignment. How does the strategy differ once you are in the finals? In the past, the least confusing objective has always been to get ahead 1 to 0, then hunker down and play defense. How ya going to do that now?

Posted by Raul.   [PICTURE: SAME | NEW | HELP]

Engineer on team #111, Wildstang, from Rolling Meadows & Wheeling HS and Motorola.

Posted on 10/23/2000 6:43 AM MST

In Reply to: Re: Scoring Clarification posted by Mike Aubry on 10/23/2000 4:27 AM MST:

: How does the strategy differ once you are in the finals? In the past, the least confusing objective has always been to get ahead 1 to 0, then hunker down and play defense. How ya going to do that now?

At firts glance of the field set-up for elimination matches,it seems that all you will see is a struggle for the 2x rack position. But then you quickly realize that 2 x zero is still zero. You need to protect your ramp to make sure it is not stripped of your balls already in their scoring positions. 2 things make this very difficult: 1) the opponents robots start right next to your ramps 2) the balls are sitting up in the holes (not like last year) and can easily be knocked out.

A best strategy is not obvious. As coach Krussell said, this is diabolical!

Raul

Posted by Rod Prather.

Engineer on team #234, Cyber Blue, from Perry Meridian High School and Rolls Royce.

Posted on 10/23/2000 1:40 PM MST

In Reply to: Re: Scoring Clarification posted by Mike Aubry on 10/23/2000 4:27 AM MST:

Odd that you must play a totally offensive game in the Q rounds, no defense and in fact assisting your opponent. Yet in the final rounds the game becomes highly defensive with an offensive war over the yellow balls and the rack. Makes you think twice about the most valuable functions of the robot.

: : This is an interesting scoring scheme. In all cases it benefits both teams to maximize all scores.

: : 1)In no case is it better for the winning team to give the doubler to the losing team.

: : 2)In cases where the losing team cannot win even if they get the doubler, the losing team should prefer to give the doubler to the winning team to maximize their score. Unless, they are trying to prove a point.

: : 3)And in #2 above, if the winning team sees that they cannot certainly get the doubler, they should allow the losing team to get it rather than squander the points.

: : Raul
: Raul, congrats! You’ve done your homework and done it well. Hopefully others aren’t too busy building a defensive machine (so somebody will pick them) to realize how to maximize their score and their chances of moving on to the elimination rounds. Now for the next assignment. How does the strategy differ once you are in the finals? In the past, the least confusing objective has always been to get ahead 1 to 0, then hunker down and play defense. How ya going to do that now?