SDS MK4c, Corner Biased, Swerve Module

Swerve Drive Specialties is excited to release the MK4c Swerve Module. The MK4c is a corner-biased, non-inverted swerve module. Modules are in stock and ready to ship.


The MK4c combines the non-inverted motor layout of the MK4 module with the corner biased high strength plate construction of the MK4i module. This results in the smallest footprint SDS module yet. The MK4c occupies a 4” X 4” area measured from the inside edge of the chassis.

Additional functional differences as compared to the MK4 include:

  • All plates made out of 7075-T6 aluminum
  • 16t drive motor pinion to achieve the same L1+ to L3+ gear ratios as the MK4n or MK4i with 16t adapter
  • Includes bottom plate to box in frame
  • 10-32 mounting holes on main plate for subsystems (e.g., collector)
  • Includes hardware to mount module to robot

Like other SDS modules, the MK4c incorporates:

  • On-axis steering encoder. Zero backlash, and the module can be disassembled/reassembled without resetting encoder offset
  • Multiple robust 4"D X 1.5"W wheel options
  • All steel gears
  • Same frame-to-floor height as the MK4, MK4i, and MK4n Swerve Modules
  • No 3D printed parts
  • Includes wheel tread cut-to-length, drilled, and pre-installed on the Billet Wheel option

A MK4 to MK4c conversion kit is also available.

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this is fire, holy.

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Why does the cool stuff always release right after we buy the other stuff.

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Thanks for buying the other stuff! The community is grateful for your sacrifice (if the events are indeed linked)

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You’re very welcome. I just know SDS was waiting for us to buy new modules to release their new ones.

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size comparison. probably not entirely accurate, but first looks show the wheel is closer to the corner, along with the motors.

height is the same it looks. maybe a little smaller but the motor spacers bump the motor up.

Overall, looks like another solid option that is a little better than the MK4, with the solid mounting of the MK4i

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versus MK4i. that packaging is crazy

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Is the process for swapping a motor to basically undo these 4 bolts then swap the motor?

Does a 16t pinion fit through the motor plate (but not the motor spacer)?

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The process for swapping the motors is the same as the MK4 module. You remove the 4 motor plate screws and then have access to the 2 motor mounting screws from the bottom. The steering motor pinion fits through the motor plate and motor riser, but the larger drive pinion does not.

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Are there any plans to offer a mk4i to mk4c conversion at some point?

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Looks great! The link to the layout drawing on the product page redirects to the drawings for the Mk4n, not the Mk4c.

It’s nice to have another option in this form factor.

One of the things we did in 2023 to gain additional clearance below the frame rails was to mount the frame rails above the main plate and then mount the bottom plate on the top:

mk4ii

Will this configuration work with the MK4c as well? Will the bottom plate fit around the motor plate?

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MK4d:
“We put the motors in a pocket dimension, which also allows them to be excluded from weigh-in”

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I have always found the motor plate mounting screws on the Mk4 a bit finicky with the set up of two threading from the top and two threading from the bottom. Keeping everything lined up, while adding locktite and keeping the stand offs from sliding off, is rather tricky, compared to the ease of the rest of assembly.

I think that a big serviceability upgrade would be to add another dedicated mounting screw to each motor, and then have the motor plate attach with 4 screws from the same direction. In a situation where one or both motors needed replacement, this would be a huge time and complexity saver.

Not sure if this is feasible, just always a hope of mine for the next generation mk4.

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Looks amazing! If anyone is buying this module (or even regular MK4’s, please protect your motors. We experienced way too much pain with extensions into our frame during the 2022 season, which was why we decided to switch from MK4’s to MK4i’s. And since the motors are even closer to the edge of the frame, it makes them more vulnerable.

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And propulsion motor count. Here comes the 12 motor swerve again. /S

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Gonna be honest it took me a good two minutes to figure out the difference between the MK4 and MK4c

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Omg yes! Please make the motor plate top-bolt-only!

Module size is weird to express because the outside dimension is the tabs to pick up the 2x1, which doesn’t really say much about the size of the module and how much space it takes up in your robot. Additionally, some modules overall dimensions make them appear smaller because they are inset from the 2x1 by 1/4".

My preferred method for comparison is measuring from outside of frame 2x1 without mounting tabs, This allows for easy “space between the modules” math when choosing frame perimeter / overall robot size.

By this metric, here are the SDS Module sizes without mounting tabs from the outside of the mounting 2 x 1 (rounded to nearest 1/4").
Mk4: 5.75 x 5.75
Mk4c: 5 x 5
Mk4i: 7.5 x 7.5
Mk4n: 5 x 9

WCP Modules for comparison:
SwerveX Tube Mount: 5.5 x 5.5
SwerveX Corner Mount: 4.5 x 4.5
SwerveXS: 4 x 4

Rev:
MAX Swerve: 4 x 4

ThriftyBot:
Thrifty swerve: 7 x 7 (slightly over 7)

Edit: This ignores height and wheel size, which are definitely a factor in choosing your design, but is harder to summarize because of various motor options.

Edit2: added TTB

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from what i can tell in the images and drawings provided this will not work, but I’m not from sds so don’t take my word

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Due to the compact layout of the MK4c, the motor plate and motors occupy the space where the L-shaped plate would be in that configuration.

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