Should match 1 on Einstein be replayed?

[Brennan4256]

No clock or score was visible for the first match between hopper and Newton. Should this match get replayed? Obviously the clock and score are important in match info.

[Brennan4256]

I guess it does lol

[IndySam]

There ya go.

[Cory]

Kudos to FIRST for making the right call and going with the replay.

[ctt956]

I would say no. But it is being replayed right now…

[ctt956]

Wait…I’m not the only one on Chief Delphi during Einstein??

[emeraldstorm]

If Newton loses after the reset, I can guarantee salt.

[tstew]

The blue box seems to indicate that it should not be replayed.

@T20 Blue Box

Note that an ARENA FAULT that does not affect MATCH outcome in the judgement of the Head REFEREE does not lead to a MATCH replay. Examples include, but are not limited to:
A. a piece of FIELD plastic falls into the FIELD in the last 5 seconds of a MATCH, far away from any human or ROBOT activity, and in such a way that it does not affect MATCH outcome
B. delay in the playing of an ARENA sound
C. mismatch between the timer on the Audience Screen and the FIELD Timer

[Basel_A]

@tstew

The blue box seems to indicate that it should not be replayed.

“Mismatch between the timer on the Audience Screen and the FIELD Timer” was not the problem. No score display does affect the match in a way that could change the outcome.

[XaulZan11]

@Basel A

“Mismatch between the timer on the Audience Screen and the FIELD Timer” was not the problem. No score display does affect the match in a way that could change the outcome.

There are some events where the score is behind one of the alliances…

[CalTran]

@XaulZan11

There are some events where the score is behind one of the alliances…

But there is still a score, and your drivers/coach/HP can relay them. Here there was nothing.

[pluto7443]

The larger issue was the lack of game sounds.

[Brennan4256]

Uh oh… Salt incoming. But honestly both teams wanted a replay right after the first match ended before they knew the scores. I think it was a good call, but I also think the disadvantage was equal to both teams therefore it was a “fair” match.

[emeraldstorm]

@Brennan4256

Uh oh… Salt incoming. But honestly both teams wanted a replay right after the first match ended before they knew the scores. I think it was a good call, but I also think the disadvantage was equal to both teams therefore it was a “fair” match.

That is true, and I do agree with the replay. Luckily, the losing alliance didn’t lose by a horrific amount of points

[AquaMorph]

The scoring not working doesn’t matter since it is not apart of the game rules. However, since the game sounds were not working that is clearly a field fault since that is apart of the game in the rule manual. So yes the replay was justified.

[BrennanB]

Dunno about you, but I like to make calls based on the live scoring.

[tstew]

@AquaMorph

However, since the game sounds were not working that is clearly a field fault since that is apart of the game in the rule manual.

Did you read the bluebox?

@FRC Game Manual - T20 Blue Box

Note that an ARENA FAULT that does not affect MATCH outcome in the judgement of the Head REFEREE does not lead to a MATCH replay. Examples include, but are not limited to:
A. a piece of FIELD plastic falls into the FIELD in the last 5 seconds of a MATCH, far away from any human or ROBOT activity, and in such a way that it does not affect MATCH outcome
B. delay in the playing of an ARENA sound
C. mismatch between the timer on the Audience Screen and the FIELD Timer

The timer in the middle player station marked with white tape along the bottom edge displays the official time remaining in AUTO, and TELEOP. Teams should rely on this, not the timer on the Audience Screen or ARENA sounds.

[Carl_C]

I feel like the head referees at Championships probably have a better understanding of the rules and how they apply than we bystanders here on Chief Delphi.

[AquaMorph]

@tstew

Did you read the bluebox?

The timer in the middle player station marked with white tape along the bottom edge displays the official time remaining in AUTO, and TELEOP. Teams should rely on this, not the timer on the Audience Screen or ARENA sounds.

A delay is not the same as no sounds altogether.

[mott]

Being in the stands during this match and having experience as the field coach for our team this season, I was screaming for the “Field Fault” to called almost immediately after the start of the match.

This game isn’t really one that can be at the highest level without the scoreboard being available. No argument that the lack of a scoreboard was an equal disadvantage for both alliances but it shouldn’t be something that happens on Einstein.

Fortunately, no robots were damaged during the “voided match” that could have been stopped well before it’s conclusion.