How did 971 receive a wild card at SVR? I thought 1678 winning and getting EI still only generated 1 wildcard? So wouldn’t 254s go to the third winning robot (7419), and 1678s go to RAS (8793)?
I thought Team Update 17 made it so only 1 wildcard was awarded if a team generates multiple.
team update 17?
It’s a known bug within the FMS where wildcard rules haven’t been adjusted, so it goes by 2020 rules still. See yesterday at Midwest when wildcards were mistakenly awarded to 2022 and 3488 when they should have gone to 8122 and 8868.
His team was at Midwest and was one of the ones that noted these issues
Even though 1678 was already qualified, team update 17 would lead me to believe that they only generate 1 Wildcard. Because only 2 wild cards are generated (1x 254, 1x 1678), the wait list order means the winning alliance 2nd pick (7419) and the rookie all-star winner (8793) would get the slots.
The confusing thing is that the FIRST Awards website lists 971 got a wildcard slot. I assume the website is correct.
Edit: hope to see them at champs anyways.
Ok the better response time because I reread your post: per someone at the event, calls were made to HQ and if all is a go, the “double” wildcard generated by 1678 went to them it seems. Bit of a gray area answer but hope to see them at Champs if all is well?
Isn’t this the opposite of what Team Update 17 said?
Absolutely, but if HQ gave it a green light, no reason to question it right 
In no way do I support the gray area Team Updat 17 vs. HQs stance has created.
I mean…
One of the most dangerous phrases ever written on this forum.
I know you’re kidding, but in case anyone else doesn’t… lots of great people doing great things at HQ, but not questioning these discrepancies, even when they are in the general favor of teams, has significant potential for chaos.
Going to do what I did in the other thread real quick and do a breakdown of qualifiers and wildcards.
254: win, previous win → 7419
1678: win, previous win → 8793 (shown on TBA)
4159: RCA, no previous awards, no wildcard.
1678: EI, win–TU17 says that only one wildcard may be created by one team regardless of how many times they double up.
If we assume that the rules are followed relatively strictly, 971 doesn’t get a wildcard. If we assume that the intent of the wildcard is to send 4 new teams per regional, 971 does get one…
971 is on the Priority Waitlist, but it’s an open question how many slots are given this time and where they are on the list.
I suspect that there will be a blog post about wildcards this week…
My understanding is that TU17 is describing what happens in a vacuum, not defining what happens across multiple events.
Regardless, according to FIRST, the current Wildcards listed on frc.events for SVR are correct.
And TU17 specifically states that one team earning two Champs qualifications, when they already have one, generates QTY: 1 Wildcard.
1678 qualified twice at SVR, after qualifying at previous events.
Per TU17, one wildcard from 1678. 971 doesn’t get one, by rule, because they’re behind 7419 and 8793 in the list. The fact that FMS didn’t get updated after TU17 to reflect that change is an HQ problem.
Therefore, HQ got some ‘SPLAININ’ to do.
Now, should 971 get one? Well, yes. They’ve been told they got one, even though they should not have gotten one. HQ’s mistake, HQ can give them a slot. Wouldn’t be the first time that’s been done.
I disagree with this. Nothing against 971, but numerous teams this season have been told they’ve gotten a wildcard, only to be told that they no longer have one. See the first lie to me thread. If one team is going to be treated that way all of them have to. Not saying I agree with it, as I think first should honor the original award, but clearly we have seen they’re not.
Ugh. Every thread this season on wildcards turns into this conversation.
To me, this seems like a clear no, unless FIRST is prepared to honor this across all events with mistakes. Even then, I’m not convinced.
Honestly, though, I’m still not convinced on the correct interpretation of these rules. If your (Eric’s) explanation is correct, I don’t think an exception should be made for 971. If Fletcher’s explanation is correct, someone should probably make that clear in a blog post – like now.
FIRST has done wildcards both ways at regional events. Looking forward to seeing 971 in Houston!
The rule in question, from TU17:
Any team earning 2 qualifying spots at a single Regional generates 1 Wild Card.
That’s it. That’s all that was added to the existing rule.
My interpretation: If a team gets two spots at one event, they make 1 Wild Card. That’s irrespective of how many slots they have already. 1678 at SVR = 1 Wild Card despite qualifying twice with a prequalification.
I think Fletcher’s interpretation is: If a team already has their (qualified) champs ticket, then whatever qualifying they get is automatically a Wild Card, whether that’s 1 or 2 slots.
I’d like to think Fletcher is correct. But per the plain letter of TU17, 1678 only generates 1 Wild Card.
The 2 wildcards generated by 1678 at SVR (Winner and EI) is similar to the situations at Sacramento (1678 Winner and Chairman’s, after TU17) and Ventura (359 Winner and Chairman’s, before TU17). Assuming that those other situations were handled correctly, we are pretty sure it was correct to hand out 3 wildcards at SVR.
Many thanks to 1678 for generating the extra wildcard necessary for us to advance. We’re excited to see everyone at Houston!
So, you’re saying that Wildcards are a random factor? Who’d a thunk it?
I took this as addressing the issue of what happens if a team earns 2 spots at their first event ala 4481 at South Florida.
They were not prequalified and earned the Win and EI. If you read the rule the way you are than no Wildcard should be made because “A team at a Regional earned a FIRST Championship spot prior to the Regional” since you are combining the first and second paragraphs.
Since they are two separate paragraphs I consider them two separate ideas explaining two different things. 4592 being granted a retroactive Wildcard award tells me that FIRST considers them two separate ideas because they didn’t just quietly give them a champs slot they actually went in and edited the awards to reflect the Wildcard.